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my own expansion: the Kingdom of Loathing pack

[url=http://www.uploading.com/files/2VN09P5K/KoL_Talisman.pdf.html]Adventure Cards[/url]
[url=http://www.uploading.com/files/KT3WHHJ7/KoLCharacters.pdf.html]Character Cards[/url]

[url=http://forum.blpublishing.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2653&KW=loathing]original thread with text[/url]]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/33231.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/33231.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/34914.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/34914.page GMT
Speaking of printing them, What kind of paper stock should I purchase or specify when I take some of those files to Staples or Kinkos ?

I want to sound like I know what I'm talking about, and I'm sure [i]someone[/i] has printed one out.

Specifically I want to do the Dragonlance and Adventure Card packs for 2nd edition.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/38693.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/38693.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/39662.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/39662.page GMT
]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/39669.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/39669.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/39689.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/39689.page GMT I was looking to aviod printing straight onto card from the printer by hopefully butchering some sort of card game like Magic the gathering but with same size cards as talisman, hopefully with rounded corners. These would then be used as dungeon and timescape cards.
(would be great if they only had logos on the back and no text) I know its a long shot!
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I want to sound like I know what I'm talking about, and I'm sure [i]someone[/i] has printed one out.

Specifically I want to do the Dragonlance and Adventure Card packs for 2nd edition.[/quote]
I know, when I print, I always use Kinkos 100# cardstock. Do yourself a favor and be sure the cards are very good looking at 300dpi because the screen depth 72dpi cards tend to look blotchy no matter how they are printed!

When cut out you would be hard pressed to tell the difference from the official Talisman cards and the homebrew [i](except for the fact that the official cards have the little itty-bitty tabs that come from punching them out!)[/i] Note that I have yet to do this for 3rd or 4th Edition cards as I play/expand 2nd second edition only at this point.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/39883.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/39883.page GMT
How do you get the double sided cards just right and is there a special way to cut the cards?]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/39962.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/39962.page GMT
How do you get the double sided cards just right and is there a special way to cut the cards?[/quote]

I'm hoping the guy at Kinkos will be able to align them right. That's what I'd be paying for. It's just that he'll ask me what kind of stock I want it on, and I'd like to have an answer for him.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/40007.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/40007.page GMT
How do you get the double sided cards just right and is there a special way to cut the cards?[/quote]

I'm hoping the guy at Kinkos will be able to align them right. That's what I'd be paying for. It's just that he'll ask me what kind of stock I want it on, and I'd like to have an answer for him.[/quote]

I'm guessing Kinko's is a American thing?

Are there any Aussie's here, that know where we could go to get the cards printed?

Also, is Kinko's #100 equal to 100g paper?]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/48442.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/48442.page GMT I believe #100 is the same as 100gsm paper.

I think when I made some 2nd Edition cards some time ago I had them printed on 120gsm glossy and they came up rather well.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/51230.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/51230.page GMT
I have made my first run of a expansion. some cards based on my creation, others from past boards, or expansions, or other ideas kicked around on the board.

1 lucky winner will receive this expanions.

What I do.

Print out the Fronts of the cards (slightly larger than needed. 101% 102%) on avery full Label sheets.
(best quality print)
Now stick the full sheet to a heavy 100 stock paper.
Trim all cards down to their individual size.
Now print the backs on avery full label sheets to EXACT size needed.
Trim them down to size.
Now attach them to the back of heavy stock paper, that you put the fronts on.
Trim off any access, using the BACK as your reference. not the front.
Using a little slide cutter works great.

Tadah! YOu have your cards.

It is impossible to print exact matches to the original cards. However having them close to the same thickness and size, makes them easy to shuffle in.

Also, for you own expansions, I would highly recomend having a varriety of stuff in it. An equal amout of good cards/bad cards. This way, knowing if its your expasion card, or a original card, realy wont make any difference to try and "dodge" or "get" the card.

(So Rett. Dont make a expasion with ALL CURSED ITEMS, and KILLER FOLLOWERS)


]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/55580.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/55580.page GMT Hallow has made a nice little "how to" article for Talisman Island which will be going up quite soon (when I've sorted some other content). Stay tuned ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/56228.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/56228.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/57126.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/57126.page GMT
How do you get the double sided cards just right and is there a special way to cut the cards?[/quote]

I'm hoping the guy at Kinkos will be able to align them right. That's what I'd be paying for. It's just that he'll ask me what kind of stock I want it on, and I'd like to have an answer for him.[/quote]
I know the Kinkos I use has a machine that can print to 1/8 of an inch to the border of the paper*. When I create the image for the card page I place crop marks at 3/16" from each corner, it forces the machine to align the paper within 1/16th of an inch ...



* [color=grey][size=9][i]Only about 25% of Kinkos utilize the specific printer that can do this.[/i][/size][/color]]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/58309.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/58309.page GMT
The solution he came up with in terms of printing and backing the cards was just to be card holders. Lots of them. he then put all of the original cards as well as the new ones in the little plastic wallets... it backs them all so yo cannot tell the differnce between the new cards and the old ones until you draw them etc.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/59943.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/59943.page GMT
The solution he came up with in terms of printing and backing the cards was just to be card holders. Lots of them. he then put all of the original cards as well as the new ones in the little plastic wallets... it backs them all so yo cannot tell the differnce between the new cards and the old ones until you draw them etc.[/quote]

FYI, I use the "Max Pro" China Dragon card protectors. They do Green and Blue (Adventure Cards and Spells!) along with some other colours for any other cards you may wish to add. ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/61396.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/61396.page GMT [/quote]
...and here it is - [url]http://www.talismanisland.com/hallowcards.htm[/url]]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/61523.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/61523.page GMT
Printed the Cards and Guardians set yesterday and looking forward to giving them a bash tonight!

Being the busybody I am, I may get round to suggesting an FAQ for the homemade sets

Cheers

Geoff]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/66364.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/66364.page GMT

If you could still manage to do one as it would be useful for people to see how others manage double-sided printing.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/66674.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/66674.page GMT
Print the fronts and then turn the page over (so that printing of the backs is aligned with the fronts. This will vary depending on the type of printer you have.

Once printed they have a excellent gloss finish so just cut them out and off you go !!!!!!!!!!]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/67511.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/67511.page GMT
Here is my list of a good breakdown of what and how many cards you want in your own creation (or collection) of ideas to make a expansion pack that is not lopsided, or easy to figure out what card comes next (because you can always tell what cards are the originals, and what are not)..Shuffle will never be perfect. I suggest "washing" the cards at the start of the game.

[b]Qty Type Notes[/b]
4 EVENTS: Some events affect the drawer, and some affect everyone.
5 MONSTERS: Keep a mix of levels, and remember some are Dragons, some are animals.
2 SPIRITS:
2 STRANGERS: some are temporary, some hang around all game.
2 PLACES: Same as strangers.
5 OBJECTS: Mix a few objects (2), and Magic Objects(3) (talismans not included in total)
3 FOLLOWERS:
2 GOLD: a couple of gold cards..Not nessisarly "bags" but sources. Mabey a Relic worth 4 gold when traded at the city, or something.
.5 TALISMANS: If some other card you created has the potential to give a player a talisman, then I would suggest not putting in a extra talisman card. Do it on your second expansion.

This will give you a pack of 25 to add to your game. You could then theam the whole pack on mabey generaly good stuff to get, for a richer game, or bad stuff for a harder game. Mabey center alot of it around alignment or race..

happy expanding!]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/67872.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/67872.page GMT

90 Creatures

38 Craft
50 Strength
2 "Other"

You've got to keep AT LEAST 1 third of your deck as monsters IMO.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/68146.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/68146.page GMT -_+?
Thanks to blanks there won't be a problem with "home expansions"

PS
Sorry for my English ;p]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/68963.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/68963.page GMT ]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/68967.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/68967.page GMT
How about sheets that contain 12-16 fronts and back aligned.
Then all you have to do is align the words and presto.

Even perferated? or pre-dented so they can be punched out.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/70086.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/70086.page GMT
I would envision that, at the very least, they could market a "combo pack" of blanks, with say two sheets of blank character cards, 5-10 sheets of blank adventure cards, 2-3 sheets of blank spell cards, and 2 sheets of blank purchase cards. They could also sell sheets of just one type of card separately.

I imagine that the only real downside to this is that, if FFG were to also release card-only expansions, the less-than-moral penny-pincher might have the urge to just buy blank sheets and print the contents of FFG's work on those sheets instead of buying the expansions. To this I'd say:

1. To the extent that I can be regarded as the average consumer, the only way I, personally, would even consider doing something like that is if FFG released say a 30-card expansion that was, universally-agreed upon, 29 dud cards and 1 awesome card. Then, and only then, would I consider printing that one good card.

2. To the extent that anyone is more likely to print their own cards than buy official expansions, the tools are already available to do so. This would just allow FFG to collect some revenue in that process.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/70403.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/70403.page GMT
One thing FFG could include with the blanks, is the software with all the Fonts, and stuff in the right postion, for easy printing. They then could actualy have it higher priced than a expansion pack.

Also regardless of the price, there is a bit difference in "offical" expansions and home made. Cant play a offical tournament of any kind with home expansions.

I would buy both. Regardless of what was more expensive.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/70909.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/70909.page GMT
One thing FFG could include with the blanks, is the software with all the Fonts, and stuff in the right postion, for easy printing. They then could actualy have it higher priced than a expansion pack.

Also regardless of the price, there is a bit difference in "offical" expansions and home made. Cant play a offical tournament of any kind with home expansions.

I would buy both. Regardless of what was more expensive.[/quote]

i'd buy [b]at least[/b] one make-your-own expansion if it came with all that.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/71050.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/71050.page GMT http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/73351.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/73351.page GMT
'Course it's possible. But just to be clear, you really don't want to be printing both sides. That would be a lot of ink, and on glossy sheets a potential mess. Let the sheets come with the backs already complete, so you just need to print the fronts. Software could be included for aligning everything correctly, or simply instructions for how to set it up in Word. Instructions would probably save a few pennies for FFG, and then in turn for us the consumers.

And certainly, a screw-up in printing will waste a complete sheet of cards. There's really no alternative to that. If using Word, it would certainly be possible to print one card on a sheet at a time, thus minimizing the consequences of a screw-up. Or the really low-tech amongst us could just hand-write in the contents of the card, thus avoiding the computer use altogether.]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/74185.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/74185.page GMT
What I would like to see, which I think is within the realms of posibility, is some card protectors the right size for Talisman. These not only would protect the original cards (some of mine have already got marks on) but would allow home made cards to be added without them being obvious. They could even be made by an indapendent company as long as they didn't break copyright (e.g. they could just be the right color backs).

Geoff]]> http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/77563.page http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffgforums/posts/preList/1525/77563.page GMT