What do we want reprinted?[Products]

I would personally like to see the Paths of the Damned reprinted, that way I could afford Forges of Nuln.

I'm afraid I don't agree. I see adventure reprints at the back of the pack.

Books I marked with a "*" I think are useful player books for games based in the Empire. FFG can sell more than one copy to each gaming group. FFG should keep all of these in print, as they have the biggest market.

At the most basic, you need to keep the core rulebook * in print, the GM's shield (GM's Toolkit), and the Old World Bestiary. At this level of support, the game is alive, and anyone can play.

After that I'd keep Realms of Sorcery * , Tome of Salvation *, and Sigmar's Heirs in print. At this level of support you get more detail on the Empire, and how magic and religion work in the game. Most GMs will want all of these books.

The extra antagonist books can come in and out of print. The same with the other country books. I'd do reprints every so often, let the demand build up, and print again. Since the antagonist books are useful in an Empire centric game, I'd look at them first. Probably as all soft backs to control cost. As good as most of the country books are, they are not useful to every game.

The antagonists: Tome of Corruption, Children of the Horned Rat, Night's Dark Masters
The other countries: Knights of the Grail, Renegade Crowns, Realm of the Ice Queen

As long as a few adventure books are in print, the old ones could go out of print. FFG might want to pick one or two of the old ones to reprint until they get a chance to make some of their own. Terror in Talabheim might make the most sense, especially if and when Children of the Horned Rat was reprinted. If Knights of the Grail was getting a reprint, it would make sense to bring back Barony of the Damned.

The good thing about country books is that they are useful to players if the GM decides to place the party there.

Perhaps old adventures could be sold as PDFs. I'm hoping the current free PDF scenarios will stay that way, but they would make stiff competition for some of the less stellar adventure books.

The city background information in the Paths of the Damned make them useful. They could be added to a reprint of Sigmar's Heirs and the adventures shunted off to PDF. I'd probably get the new, improved Sigmar's Heirs just to have three less books to look through.

Most of all, I'd look at the sales numbers from BI. Keep the popular books in print. And I'm sure BI had a bunch of books sitting around in warehouses, so no reason for FFG not to flog those.

For new books, I'd look at books that players might want as well. Elf, Dwarf, and Halfling books? Or one book that covers all three? And instead of sprinkling a few careers in every GM book, maybe a big book of extra careers?

Yes but even the city background in PotD was really bad. The descriptions of Altdorf was poor, reading Beasts in Velvet would give you a much better feel of Altdorf than the generic descriptions made in SoA, which honestly could be applied to any big city.

Middenheim is somewhat of an exception, but all of the cities would still benefit hugely from a Cities of Old World supplement or something.

Perhaps they could release in PDF format! That way they arnt really paying alot for a print rerun. Then only reprint the popular titles!

BlickTheGM

Instead of reprinting Paths of the Damned FFG could get round to printing Thousand Thrones...

No seriously, PotD as a whole "needs work" and isn't worth reprinting unedited.

LordofEndTimes wrote:Middenheim is somewhat of an exception, but all of the cities would still benefit hugely from a Cities of Old World supplement or something.

Unfortunately (for the reputation of the writers of said background) I believe this is because there is the now very out-of-print Warhammer City, which describes Middenheim in loving detail. So failing to describe that city would have been all but impossible...

That said, I think the Nuln background is quite okay. It suffers "only" from the small page count available to it (the main mistake of PotD is trying to fit one third of an epic campaign and a complete overview of one of the three biggest cities in the Empire all crammed together into a mere 96 pages).

I am aware of the City of the White Wolf book. So yes it would be hard to fail on the description of Middenheim.

Nuln is ok, but as you say suffers tremendously from the low page count. But what a lousy map! I can't remember who made another map of Nuln with and canals and whatnot, now that was the type of map that was needed in the official supplement.

Still I don't think that there will that high of a demand for PotD, I have higher hopes for Thousand Thrones. So it was minor annoyance when one discovered that it wasn't possible to pre-order the book because the stock was part of the license transfer to FFG. Hopefully it will be released soon.

I was thinking about this the other night, and about what I would do if I were setting up the strategy for WFRP.

I'd focus on four big books a year, supported by pdf-material made available online. And I would work closely with Warpstone.

So for reprints, I mostly wouldn't do straight reprints, but rather collections containing previously published material.

Step 1. I would collect the core rules (v2), the bestiary (v2), Sigmar's Heirs (v2), WFRP companion (v2) and The Enemy Within (v1) into one big book. I might add some bits from Old World Armoury (v2).

Step 2. I would collect The Enemy Within into one massive tome, reworking problematic bits.

Step 3. I would then collect Tome of Corruption (v2), Children of the Horned Rat (v2) and Night's Dark Masters (v2) into one big honking book.

Step 4: For the first year, I'd smash together Realms of Sorcery (v2) and Tome of Salvation (v2) into one book.

Or something like that.

If I were to just keep stuff in print, and couldn't combine them, I'd have the following ready to go to press:

WFRP core rules
Old World Bestiary
WFRP companion
Tome of Corruption
Tome of Salvation
Realms of Sorcery
Sigmar's Heirs
Lure of the Lich Lord
Terror in Talabheim
Barony of the Damned.

Or something like that.

/M

(Pariah, would you mind inserting "[Products]" in front of the topic's name? We're trying to organize stuff in here! Thanks Mate)

MagnusSeter wrote:
Step 1. I would collect the core rules (v2), the bestiary (v2), Sigmar's Heirs (v2), WFRP companion (v2) and The Enemy Within (v1) into one big book. I might add some bits from Old World Armoury (v2).

This is what I'd like to see FFG do as well, with one major difference. I'd like to see Sigmar's Heirs removed from that listed and done properly as a 200+ page monstrosity of epic proportions!

LordofEndTimes wrote:Nuln is ok, but as you say suffers tremendously from the low page count. But what a lousy map! I can't remember who made another map of Nuln with and canals and whatnot, now that was the type of map that was needed in the official supplement.

Y'know, this was the last supplement to be made without one of my maps in it. I really wish I'd got to do Nuln.

That said, I'd really like to redo Talabheim as well, but as a double-page spread, not a half page squash-monster. I still cringe whenever I look at that map, especially when I compare it to what I did for Freeport, for example.

I really wish that you would do Nuln too! Can't you work some magic on my favourite Old World town? It really needs an Andy Law map in order for it be a true Empire Capital of Olde!

And to stay on-topic:

The book I'd most like to see reprinted is the Tome of Salvation, as it missed one of my credits as an illustrator in it, which annoyed me far more than I expected it would.

However, more seriously, it seems obvious that the big hardback books (ToS, ToC, and RoS), Sigmar's Heirs, Old World Bestiary, and core book are the primary books to get back in print (assuming the stock channels need them), followed by the best sellers, whatever they may be (I assume FFG have the numbers). As painful as it is for me to say it, the rest aren't necessary for the line, and could be dropped with ease if necessary. I suppose it all depends upon the budget available, and FFG's long-term plans for WFRP.

Once we have a new line developer, I'm sure we'll all know what'll be happening soon enough.

LordofEndTimes wrote:I really wish that you would do Nuln too! Can't you work some magic on my favourite Old World town? It really needs an Andy Law map in order for it be a true Empire Capital of Olde!

Thanks for that! Imagine a double-page to the level of detail found in the Erengrad map, for example (actually, that level of detail would require a A2 to keep the scale correct; Nuln is a lot bigger). It'd rock, huh?

Never mind, perhaps I could do that sometime in the future, huh? Even if the commission never comes through, my own desire to do the map may one day overtake me, especially as my PCs often visit the city.

For my money the Erengrad map is the best ever done for a WFRP city. Something like that for Nuln? Well that'd be...oh...I think I'm getting wet, excuse me for a minute.

Aldred Fellblade wrote:For my money the Erengrad map is the best ever done for a WFRP city. Something like that for Nuln? Well that'd be...oh...I think I'm getting wet, excuse me for a minute.

Yeah, it's the city I prefer out of my published WFRP maps as well. It was a joy to make, and I only wish I'd had more time to do all of the city maps to the same level (and more space to do the Kislev city map any justice -- I'm still not happy with that one; I think the city would have been served better with 2 pages instead of one, but space was very tight).

What I particularly liked about that once was the little details, such as the Empire quarter being shaped as an Imperial Cross, suggesting some form of planning in its newly reconstructed form, or the little coastal watch-towers (one of which is ruined), or the little-criss-crossing pathways found throughout the map. As I said, it was just a joy to put together.

And, yes, a similar map of almost any Imperial city would clearly rock, but I'm not sure such an opportunity will be popping up any too soon.

Well i would like to see the Marienburg material reprinted... there was still some twenty-thirty articles we never got up on the BI site, and I would love to give them a home here.

Personally, I'd like to think that FFG would eventually reprint everything, with demand-based priority.

Obviously keeping the core book in print is a must, but beyond that, I don't have too many opinions as I didn't get around to buying 2e yet, and so I'm undecided whether there'd be any point in me waiting for the FFG reprint (in case it is updated to include errata etc) or if I should just snag a copy if I find one.

Glorthindel wrote:Well i would like to see the Marienburg material reprinted... there was still some twenty-thirty articles we never got up on the BI site, and I would love to give them a home here.

Yes, Dave Allen had three other White Dwarf articles I had converted over the second edition that he never had chance to put on the site as well, which it would be nice to see get a home.

PhoenixAndy wrote:Personally, I'd like to think that FFG would eventually reprint everything, with demand-based priority.

Obviously keeping the core book in print is a must, but beyond that, I don't have too many opinions as I didn't get around to buying 2e yet, and so I'm undecided whether there'd be any point in me waiting for the FFG reprint (in case it is updated to include errata etc) or if I should just snag a copy if I find one.

I'd snag one now, if I were you. Or if you were me, rather. Or ... well, you get the idea.

That way, you can start reading the rules, and prepare properly for The Thousand Thrones!

/M

Andy Law wrote:
Thanks for that! Imagine a double-page to the level of detail found in the Erengrad map, for example (actually, that level of detail would require a A2 to keep the scale correct; Nuln is a lot bigger). It'd rock, huh?

Never mind, perhaps I could do that sometime in the future, huh? Even if the commission never comes through, my own desire to do the map may one day overtake me, especially as my PCs often visit the city.

Just say the word and you will have your own sycophant and disciple! That would be awesome!
I hope FFG contacts you for the next publications!- Your work is the best resume any one could ask for. Erengrad was very cool, loved the Streltsi Training Grounds with the little footprints and all. Shame about the size, some of the finer details were lost. But nice!

LordofEndTimes wrote:<snippety snip>
Erengrad was very cool, loved the Streltsi Training Grounds with the little footprints and all. Shame about the size, some of the finer details were lost. But nice!

You're absolutely right about that. Even at A3 some of the details are still pretty small.

That said, when playing at home I display maps on my big HDTV using the PS3 (which is surprisingly good at handling images, although I keep nudging the shoulder buttons by mistake when I'm excited, which causes the image to spin alarmingly), and it really looks cool when you can zoom in and see every detail on the streets.

Indeed, because of this, my PS3 has become a staple at our gaming sessions of late (it also plays the music as well). I tried using my laptop to display on the TV (and still do for things like rules, and special stuff, which is all stored on my laptop), but the PS3 is much more efficient at handling images when they are stored on the PS3's hard drive.

Really, big map at 1080P on a big TV is simply awesome!

Whilst it would suit my wallet more to see reprints, personally I would prefer to see some new stuff. I looked forward a lot for Thousand Thrones and the Elf Sourcebook.

MagnusSeter wrote:I'd snag one now, if I were you.

I concur. While reading the forums and looking at Q&A might give off the impression WFRP is a heavily errataed game, I would say this isn't so.

After several years, there are only a handful non-trivial corrections to the rulebook. The rulebook stands up well to any comparison. Any such impression, I think, would be because of BI's excellent support for the game - they simply paid some serious attention to their Q&A's. Of course that meant the errata grew!

And thus it comes to no big surprise that I find the rulebook to be one of the best modules in the entire v2 lineup.

So get snaggin'!

Sigmar's heirs needs a reprint, just to reabsorb the city material from the "Paths of the Damned Beastmen" trilogy.