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MCFlainez


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Hello,

I have been playing Arkham Horror for a long time now and I have been always interested about the statistics of our games (what combinations of GOOs / heralds we defeated and so on).

Now, with the Kingsport Horror and the introduction of Guardians, the different possibilities for each game are incredible high.

That is why I have put together a quick and dirty form with Google docs to record the results of every game of Arkham Horror. I plan to create a web site showing different statistics and reports with the data collected.

If you wish to enter data from your own sessions, please, do it at:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pYsj88WqxwxBt5mRULVwXbw&email=true

Also, if you see something not correct in the form or you think that some information is missing, please don't hesitate to let me know.

Thanks a lot for your submissions!
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Atlach-Nacha is missing from the Ancient One list. I just beat it twice, and lost once this weekend.

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Thanks for spotting that!

I have updated the form, so you should be able to enter your games now.

Thanks again!
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You need some victory criteria:

• Victory by Sacrifices to Make mission

You might also consider adding "Other" for the heralds and guardians, in case someone is using a home-made, as I plan to have two or three homemade heralds (no guardians though).
But don't add "other" for Ancient Ones, because they're the focus of this study. Anyone using a homemade AO probably should not be posting statistics on this page.

You should have some other check boxes for "optional" material:

• Used "Three Acts" variant
• Used "Epic Final Battle" variant

Finally, you should vary how the game was lost:

• Normal loss (final combat; this includes awakening Azathoth)
• Maybe have a "loss by End Of Everything epic battle card"
• Loss by Shudde M'ell earthquake
• Loss by "Joining the Winning Team" mission
• Loss by Act III
• Loss by forfeit, perhaps? Sometimes the discouragement of a hopeless situation is overwhelming.

Maybe you could also have an optional section where players can enter their final score so that you can have an idea by how closely the players won (or lost).

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MCFlainez


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tibs, thanks for your comments, tomorrow I will be updating the form according to some of your input.

And also, thanks to all the people that is submitting results, there are 20 sessions recorded already!!!
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You might also want to have a separate bullet point list for using PART of an expansion. For example, I played COTDP and afterwards left the allies in, but only the allies.
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'Ello mate. I'm not sure exactly why, but this statistics bit of yours is really tickling my fancy. And I rather like the suggestions that are being thrown around. Can't wait to see it evolve.

Although. ~cough~ I accidentally added mine twice... I don't suppose you could just delete one, could you? It was a game against Yig, under the name Indrid1. That was the first recent game I could remember fully enough to put on the list.

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Sounds cool. I would request one for won by "Walking the Lay Lines" (I've done it once). True its the same as closing the gates but it's doing it in a special way.

At the moment that's the only thing that comes to mind but if I think of more I'll add them.
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Yea, I put in the statistics of my last three games. I'll be sure to keep better track now.

-Rob

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MCFlainez


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Guys, I have started creating some stored procedures to extract information from
the data received. This are very basic ones, but I wanted to share with you
anyway. More complex reports will be coming in the future.

Also, I plan to update the form during today.

The creation of the web site to display all this information will have to wait
until, at least, next week (not having time right now).


Based on 36 game sessions.

TOP GOOs (GOOs most used in the games)
Atlach-Nacha 4 11.11%
Nyarlathotep 4 11.11%
Yig 4 11.11%
Ithaqua 3 8.33%
Shub-Niggurath 3 8.33%
Tsathoggua 3 8.33%
Cthulhu 3 8.33%
Glaaki 2 5.56%
Hastur 2 5.56%
Azathoth 2 5.56%
Y'Golonac 2 5.56%
Yibb-Tstll 2 5.56%
Shudde M'ell 2 5.56%

A 66,67% of the games didn't have an herald. For the games that had it, these
are the Top Ones:

The Dark Pharaoh 4 33.33%
The Green Flame 4 33.33%
The King in Yellow 2 16.67%
The Nemesis Moon 1 8.33%
The Dunwich Profecy 1 8.33%

A 72.22% of the games didn't use a guardian. For the remaining sessions, this is
the breakdown:

Bast 5 50.00%
Hypnos 3 30.00%
Nodens 2 20.00%


The average number of investigators was 3 (rather low, I think).

Finally, an overview of the game results; as you can see, almost half of the
games were lost, which sound good to me. Also, most of the games were won by the
final combat, which is the weakest victory type in my opinion:

Defeat 17 47.22%
Victory by Final Combat 8 22.22%
Victory by seals 7 19.44%
Victory by closing gates 4 11.11%

And last, but not least, a porcentage of investigator defeats per GOO. This report
still doesn't take into account the Herald / Guardian combinations, but I will
work on that in the next days:

Glaaki 100.00%
Y'Golonac 100.00%
Tsathoggua 66.67%
Azathoth 50.00%
Atlach-Nacha 50.00%
Nyarlathotep 50.00%
Yig 50.00%
Shudde M'ell 50.00%
Ithaqua 33.33%
Shub-Niggurath 33.33%
Cthulhu 33.33%
Yibb-Tstll 0%
Hastur 0%

Glaaki and Y'Golonac are the only ones that remains unbeaten. I am surprised
with having Yig with better performance than Cthulhu, but I think time will
level out this.

This is everything at the moment. Keep posting your suggestions and game results
and, if you are willing to see an specific report, just let me know and I will
see what I can do.

PS: I just noticed that there was a duplicated session by AngelusNoir against
Yig I have deleted it, but the reports above still contain that information [
No time to rerun them right now, sorry]. The next reports generated will not
include that info...
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Maybe you can also include the investigators ?
Then we can see which investigators are the best.

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MCFlainez


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Hello,

I have updated the form, with the suggested "game results", along with a new section of "Miscellaneous Facts"... This part is not so important for the statistics, but it is fun anyway.

One comment about this: Right now I don't have the game with me, so I can't check the name of the "Condition Cards" (I think they are called like that), but surelly you know what I am referring to: "Darke's Blessing"?, the one in the library, the one in the newspaper...

Feel free to suggest any new miscellaneous facts!

About the different parts of the expansions, I don't think I am going to include that, it will be a lot of options and, if for instance, you are using only the "Dark Pharaoh" Allies, I don't think it has a big impact in the game results. So, if you are using the complete expansion or most of it, mark it, otherwise leave it blank.

Cheers!
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I noticed that you updated the form with "Walking the Ley Lines" as a victory condition, and not "Sacrifices to Make." Sacrifices is in and of itself a unique victory condition, while completing Ley Lines doesn't necessarily result in a victory, and if it does it's technically a victory by "all gates closed."

You should probably change "Walking the Ley Lines" to "Sacrifices to Make."

Edit: I don't suppose there is a way to colorize each row on the results so that it's red for overall defeat, and green for overall victory? Or at the very least to move the victory/defeat result column so that it's right nect to the Ancient One column, or right after Guardian? It would make the table easier to read.

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tibs wrote:I noticed that you updated the form with "Walking the Ley Lines" as a victory condition, and not "Sacrifices to Make." Sacrifices is in and of itself a unique victory condition, while completing Ley Lines doesn't necessarily result in a victory, and if it does it's technically a victory by "all gates closed."

You should probably change "Walking the Ley Lines" to "Sacrifices to Make."

Edit: I don't suppose there is a way to colorize each row on the results so that it's red for overall defeat, and green for overall victory? Or at the very least to move the victory/defeat result column so that it's right nect to the Ancient One column, or right after Guardian? It would make the table easier to read.


You are completely right, I didn't have the opportunity to check the cards and that is why I took the wrong card name...
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I'd like to see the score of the game.
Tasks and missions completed?

Edit: I mis entered my game. We had 3 investigators and 2 were devoured and replaced.

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mageith wrote:I'd like to see the score of the game.
Tasks and missions completed?

Edit: I mis entered my game. We had 3 investigators and 2 were devoured and replaced.


Hi,

I will include the score. I usually don't calculate it myself, it is just a number, right? Also, will look into tasks and missions.

About your game, I have corrected it... but, which Condition Card did you activate in that game? I will include the name of each one of the 4 existing ones.
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Thanks.

Coded messages.

There's lots of factors to the game score and most of them are not in your data base. You'd have to depend on the players to calculate the score and input it, I think.

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Updated with 3 more battles.

Atlach-Nacha was much easier than expect in epic combat. Yog, much more difficult.

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Hi again, I have an update for the stats:

60 sessions recorded so far, Nyarlathotep is the most popular GOO and Eihort the least popular one, as shown in this table. What is doing Nyarlathotep so popular? The Masks?:

Nyarlathotep 11.67%
Shub-Niggurath 10.00%
Y'Golonac 8.33%
Yig 8.33%
Atlach-Nacha 8.33%
Cthulhu 8.33%
Ithaqua 6.67%
Shudde M'ell 6.67%
Tsathoggua 5.00%
Abhoth 5.00%
Glaaki 5.00%
Hastur 5.00%
Azathoth 3.33%
Yog Sothoth 3.33%
Yibb-Tstll 3.33%
Eihort 1.67%

Most of the sessions were played without an Herald (58,33%). Between the games played with Herald, The King in Yellow is clearly the most popular one, and I can see why:

The King in Yellow 40.00%
The Dark Pharaoh 20.00%
The Green Flame 20.00%
The Nemesis Moon 12.00%
The Dunwich Profecy 8.00%

Talking about guardians, only a 30% of games were using them, I guess not enough people have the Kingsport expansion yet. Nodens is the less popular one (why? I don't have the expansion yet, but the blessings sound fun):

Bast 38.89%
Hypnos 38.89%
Nodens 22.22%

The defeat ratio has decreased, now it is only a 35% of the games. The victories are still mainly obtained by the final combat and, as I expected, victories by closing gates are going down:

Defeat (During Final Combat) 35.00%
Victory by Final Combat 33.33%
Victory by seals 23.33%
Victory by closing gates 8.33%

About the GOO Performance (Percentage of sessions the GOO is causing defeats), there is a triple tie between the three GOOs that came with Dunwich Horror Expansion! Shub-Niggurath is the weakest one and Yig is now in a tie with Cthulhu.

Tsathoggua 66.67%
Abhoth 66.67%
Glaaki 66.67%
Y'Golonac 60.00%
Shudde M'ell 50.00%
Azathoth 50.00%
Yog Sothoth 50.00%
Atlach-Nacha 40.00%
Nyarlathotep 28.57%
Ithaqua 25.00%
Cthulhu 20.00%
Yig 20.00%
Shub-Niggurath 16.67%

Finally, a new report: percentage of defeats for games without herald and guardian, with herald but not guardian, with guardian but no herald and with both, herald and guardian. Columns are "type of game", "number of sessions recorded", "percentage of defeats":

Herald - Guardian 11 27.27%
Herald - No Guardian 14 35.71%
No Herald - Guardian 7 14.29%
No Herald - No Guardian 28 42.86%

That's all for the moment.
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Another stat, maybe this one can help you to decide what GOO / herald combination you want to fight in your next game. This is a report of the combinations recorded of Goos and heralds, along with the percentage of times this combination has defeated the investigators. For example, Abhoth + KiY has not been defeated yet (Interestingly, according to my records, my own group lost two times to that combination in the past.)

Abhoth The King in Yellow 100.00%
Atlach-Nacha The Nemesis Moon 100.00%
Shub-Niggurath The Green Flame 100.00%
Tsathoggua The Green Flame 100.00%
Tsathoggua The King in Yellow 100.00%
Y'Golonac The Green Flame 100.00%
Shudde M'ell The King in Yellow 50.00%
Y'Golonac The King in Yellow 50.00%
Atlach-Nacha The Green Flame 33.33%
Hastur The King in Yellow 33.33%
Nyarlathotep The Dark Pharaoh 33.33%

Will you try one of the "unbeaten" combinations next time?
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Thanks for these percentile outputs. Personally, I think it'll still take a while for the stats on the Kingsport Ancient ones and heralds to realistically represent their actual mettle in comparison to the other ancient ones, since it is new and all. Also, the two downloadable Heralds will likely see less use than the King in Yellow and the new Kingsport ones, just for being downloads.

Added all games I've ever taken part in on which I still had a clear grasp of what went on during the game (it's only a fraction of the games I've ever played, but I didn't recall the ancient one and herald combos on most of those, so I left them out, only adding the ones which I still knew 100%).

Again, thanks for this statistics sheet/thread.

My Arkham Horror Ancient Ones:
http://www.esnips.com/web/sonoftzeentch9sBusinessFiles
(I'll be revamping them some time this year, I hope. Sorry for the huge delay.)
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Yea, its a great effort and cause, but I would be more concerned with the numbers once we have hundreds of games in.

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I think you should add a final doom factor for the games won outside of final battle, to indicate how long the game was.
Also, an indicator for whether investigators were random, selected, or selected to especially target or be targeted by the GOO.

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I have update the entry form with some of the suggestions:

- The final score as suggested from maggeith.
- From deejay I have included the method of selection of investigators and also the "doom factor". [Usually in my group, we choose between two or three random investigators before knowing the GOO, I will include this as Random, as I don't think it makes too much difference].

@Acebob

Of course, you are right, we need a lot more of game sessions to be able to extract some true information from the numbers... it will all depend if the people keeps posting results or not. At the moment, the feedback is quite good, almost one hundred sessions in less than one week! I wonder who will be the most dangerous GOO in, let's say, one month.




One last comment, as you surely have already noticed, English is not my mother language, so if you see something wrong in the form, please, let me know so I can correct it. Thanks!
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MCFlainez wrote:One last comment, as you surely have already noticed, English is not my mother language, so if you see something wrong in the form, please, let me know so I can correct it. Thanks!

In that case, the Heralds should read as their real names:

The Dark Pharaoh
The Dunwich Horror
The King in Yellow
Ghroth
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