List of (in)famous warhammer weapons

Bretonnia still only has a 6ed book. And yeah they have magic swords just not Excalibur like ones connected to Giles like Ghal Maraz was connected to Sigmar. There are actually two Swords of Couronne, one used by the Duke of Queneles that was good against undead and one used by the King.

edit: Actually on second glance one is called the Sword and the other the Blade, so different items.

that's right; got my fluff mixed up, thank you.

Sadly; there are few rules for working out weapons like the sword of the lady's champion etc in WFRP. And RoS did stat our runefangs after all.

Id be interested in seeing anyone's interpretations thereof.

I would probably give the Sword of the Lady's Champion some other effect tbh, having the users SB always equal to at least the opponents TB+1 seems clunky to me. Maybe something like its a SB+1 weapon and you can call upon the lady once per day to do extra damage?

That doesn't seem quite strong enough, depending on the enemy the WFB version can be quite powerful. It seems particularly good against monsters, since the tend to have higher toughness and thus the sword is stronger, so maybe something like that.

Wise Woodsman wrote:That doesn't seem quite strong enough, depending on the enemy the WFB version can be quite powerful. It seems particularly good against monsters, since the tend to have higher toughness and thus the sword is stronger, so maybe something like that.

Its not actually a very good item at all in WFB, mind it is only 40ots when a Runefang was 100pts and the Sword of Fate 50pts so that is to be expected. The main issue in modelling it accurately is that it is one of those annoying items that gets better with be given to a weaker character as it wounds on 3+ no-mater of strength or toughness. If you actually wanted it to scale in proportion to the items in Realms of Sorcery, it probably do something rubbish like ignore 1 point of armour, WFRP under the RAW is not know for good magic items.

Hum.. I am wondering something. Since some magic items are created trough the Aethyric resonnance of events and beliefs (a little like the Gods), do you think the items collected by the Grail Pilgrim could have a potential spark of power within each of them? And I am talking about genuine items coming from a genuine Grail Knight, and worshipped by genuine Grail Pilgrims.

Maybe not ennough potential power to create a magic items, but.. imagine if, say, the beliefs into the lady (or the Lady's aethyric resonnance) should spike for reason X, a large amount of these items could suddenly become magical. Hum.. I like that plot point.

jadrax wrote:

Wise Woodsman wrote:That doesn't seem quite strong enough, depending on the enemy the WFB version can be quite powerful. It seems particularly good against monsters, since the tend to have higher toughness and thus the sword is stronger, so maybe something like that.

Its not actually a very good item at all in WFB, mind it is only 40ots when a Runefang was 100pts and the Sword of Fate 50pts so that is to be expected. The main issue in modelling it accurately is that it is one of those annoying items that gets better with be given to a weaker character as it wounds on 3+ no-mater of strength or toughness. If you actually wanted it to scale in proportion to the items in Realms of Sorcery, it probably do something rubbish like ignore 1 point of armour, WFRP under the RAW is not know for good magic items.

I disagree I think it is quite good depending on what it is being used on. For example against a Star Dragon which has toughness 6 and a 3+ armour save you have S7 so you wound on a 3+, where with a lance you would be wounding on a 4. Further, since that strength is used vs armour the dragon also loses its armour save. Or look at a vampire with T5 you would have a strength of 6, the same as a lance on the charge in all rounds of combat. Of course vs normal toughness 3 troops it isn't as impressive. As such if I was translating it I would think th goal should be something that is more potent the more powerful the foe one is facing, doesn't help you much against the run of the mill enemies that PC are likely to meet, but against mosters and such it becomes more useful. Outside of the scope of most games, but then many magic items would be. Also, it should be noted that the weilder must be a Grail Knight so that tied into its cheap price in WFB, also that they would in WHRP benefit from what ever Grail Virtue they take.

The problem is, there is no easy metric to determine how powerful your foe is in WFRP, and the SB > TB mechanic cannot be used as a grail knight will have at least SB 6, equal if not more than most powerful creatures already.

Flicking through OWB, TB 6 has Dragons, Savage Orcs and Vampires, TB 7 has Treemen - that is not a lot of bang for your magic item buck.

(One interesting and counter-intuitive effect is Plague Bearers would count as 6, except your hitting them with a Magic Weapon so they don't.)

Well, yeah thats why I agreed that it would be dificult to translate into WHRP, I just think that instead of letting you call on teh Lady, something designed for going against more powerful monsters should be used.

And I just found this one as well. Currently working on a compilation...

Wise Woodsman wrote:Well, yeah thats why I agreed that it would be dificult to translate into WHRP, I just think that instead of letting you call on teh Lady, something designed for going against more powerful monsters should be used.

Simple solution... it hits for SB or the creature's TB, which ever is higher.

Might now sound impressive, but remember, some of us like to add careers to creatues. Believe me, a ful powered dragon chief is no laughing matter

well... I compiled a list which I would like to share for discussion, however this forum doesn't allow tables, any clue where I can put the list or how I can show it on this forum?

PsyckoSama wrote:Simple solution... it hits for SB or the creature's TB, which ever is higher.

That is however, rubbish even if your opponent has a TB of 9, (Treeman Chief, whooo...) you are doing 3 extra damage... I would rather it had an effect that actually made you happy the Lady of the Lake had chucked it at you. ;o)

wolph42 wrote:well... I compiled a list which I would like to share for discussion, however this forum doesn't allow tables, any clue where I can put the list or how I can show it on this forum?

You just need to use [ code ] and [ /code ] around it and format it in notepad.

jadrax wrote:

PsyckoSama wrote:Simple solution... it hits for SB or the creature's TB, which ever is higher.

That is however, rubbish even if your opponent has a TB of 9, (Treeman Chief, whooo...) you are doing 3 extra damage... I would rather it had an effect that actually made you happy the Lady of the Lake had chucked it at you. ;o)

Could it not just do SB + opponent's TB? That would then mean against your treeman it's doing 9 extra damage per hit, which is pretty decent. Could even throw in armour piercing and/or impact to represent the difference between WFB and WFRP wounds totals?

Artemis Black wrote:Could it not just do SB + opponent's TB? That would then mean against your treeman it's doing 9 extra damage per hit, which is pretty decent. Could even throw in armour piercing and/or impact to represent the difference between WFB and WFRP wounds totals?

Probably easier to write that as 'it Ignores its opponents TB', same effect, less maths. ;o)

jadrax wrote:

Artemis Black wrote:Could it not just do SB + opponent's TB? That would then mean against your treeman it's doing 9 extra damage per hit, which is pretty decent. Could even throw in armour piercing and/or impact to represent the difference between WFB and WFRP wounds totals?

Probably easier to write that as 'it Ignores its opponents TB', same effect, less maths. ;o)

*grin* indeed

Artemis Black wrote:

jadrax wrote:

Artemis Black wrote:Could it not just do SB + opponent's TB? That would then mean against your treeman it's doing 9 extra damage per hit, which is pretty decent. Could even throw in armour piercing and/or impact to represent the difference between WFB and WFRP wounds totals?

Probably easier to write that as 'it Ignores its opponents TB', same effect, less maths. ;o)

*grin* indeed

(Although it's possible if you're using some houserules where how much damage you actually roll has extra effects you might want to keep the awkward version I said?)

jadrax wrote:

Artemis Black wrote:Could it not just do SB + opponent's TB? That would then mean against your treeman it's doing 9 extra damage per hit, which is pretty decent. Could even throw in armour piercing and/or impact to represent the difference between WFB and WFRP wounds totals?

Probably easier to write that as 'it Ignores its opponents TB', same effect, less maths. ;o)

That would make it too damned powerful. Its not quite on the level of a Runefang but this makes it far better... and believe me, against something big and unpleasant that extra 3 damage wouldn't be something you'd turn down...

PsyckoSama wrote:That would make it too damned powerful. Its not quite on the level of a Runefang but this makes it far better... and believe me, against something big and unpleasant that extra 3 damage wouldn't be something you'd turn down...

I wouldn't turn it down, but I would certainly be wishing I had a better weapon. (Same with the Runefang actually which would do the exact same +3 damage against it.)

Which I think is a problem, it just lacks that 'shiny' quality that makes it seem a good item worthy of its lore than a sword that typically provides no-bonus at all but might give you +1 to +3 damage is your GM has sat down and worked on making sure your fighting something with a very high TB.

jadrax wrote:

wolph42 wrote:well... I compiled a list which I would like to share for discussion, however this forum doesn't allow tables, any clue where I can put the list or how I can show it on this forum?

You can do Tables here with a bit of care

You just need to use [ code ] and [ /code ] around it and format it in notepad.

that looks tricky, its quite an extensive list.... Ill see what i can do, other suggestions are welcome in the meanwhile

edit: thats not gonna work, the table consists out of 4 columns with some cells containing over 100 words. With a total of 110 different entries.... I really either need some way to make tables in this forum or I must upload a pdf somewhere.

Suggestions?

wolph42 wrote:that looks tricky, its quite an extensive list.... Ill see what i can do, other suggestions are welcome in the meanwhile

Email it me if you want and I will see what I can do.

jadrax wrote:

wolph42 wrote:that looks tricky, its quite an extensive list.... Ill see what i can do, other suggestions are welcome in the meanwhile

Email it me if you want and I will see what I can do.

i've send you a PM

Well I figured out a neat trick. I opened a gmail account and published the list there for anyone interested.
The fun part is

Everyone can edit it. And I would ask everyone interested to update it to make it more complete and or correct. Discussions can still take place here.

It can be edit here: (if you don't have a gmail account, just make a bogus one)
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p7ESBHMD2RZ9O0sdEtTt4IQ&hl=nl

It can be viewed here: (without an gmail account, you can't edit it though)
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p7ESBHMD2RZ9O0sdEtTt4IQ

Oh good ;o)

Note by the way that some Magic Items that I have actually used in my game can be found here