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The four condition cards are:

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Darke's Blessing
Rare Book Collection
Velma's Gratitude

You should have "number of investigators retired," or change the number devoured field to devoured/retired.

You should have a check box for "Epic Battle" variant.

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After one week, there are 132 sessions recorded.

Azathoth and Nyarlathotep are the most popular GOOs:

GOO / Percentage of Sessions
Azathoth 9.09%
Nyarlathotep 9.09%
Y'Golonac 8.33%
Yig 8.33%
Cthulhu 8.33%
Hastur 7.58%
Atlach-Nacha 6.06%
Shub-Niggurath 6.06%
Shudde M'ell 5.30%
Ithaqua 5.30%
Eihort 5.30%
Glaaki 5.30%
Yog Sothoth 4.55%
Yibb-Tstll 3.79%
Tsathoggua 3.79%
Abhoth 3.79%

62,88 % of the games were played without an Herald. The "download-and-print" Heralds are clearly the lesast popular:

Herald /Percentage of session (only among the games that used herald):
The King in Yellow 32.65%
Ghroth 24.49%
Tulzscha 22.45%
The Dark Pharaoh 10.20%
The Dunwich Horror 10.20%

69,70% of the games did not use any guardian. Bast is clearly the preferred one:

Guardian /Percentage of session (only among the games that used guardian):
Bast 40.00%
Nodens 32.50%
Hypnos 27.50%

A bit more than 40% of the sessions ended with investigator defeat, here it is the game result breakdown:

Game result / Percentage of sessions that ended this way
Defeat (During Final Combat) 38.64%
Victory by Final Combat 25.76%
Victory by seals 21.97%
Victory by closing gates 10.61%
Defeat by Act III (King in Yellow) 1.52%
Defeat by Earthquake (Shudde M'ell) 0.76%
Defeat by Forfeit (Game not ended) 0.76%

The most dangerous GOO seems to be Y'Golonac, with more than 60% of the games where it was used ending with investigator defeat. Ithaqua is right now the weakest one.

GOO / Percentage of times the GOO won over the investigators.
Y'Golonac 63.64%
Tsathoggua 60.00%
Abhoth 60.00%
Shudde M'ell 57.14%
Eihort 57.14%
Glaaki 57.14%
Azathoth 50.00%
Atlach-Nacha 50.00%
Yig 45.45%
Cthulhu 36.36%
Yog Sothoth 33.33%
Shub-Niggurath 25.00%
Nyarlathotep 25.00%
Hastur 20.00%
Yibb-Tstll 20.00%
Ithaqua 14.29%

About GOO / Herald combinations, there is still a big number of possibilities that has not been yet defeated by the investigators, here you have the numbers:

GOO / Herald / Percentage of times the investigators were defeated.
Abhoth The King in Yellow 100.00%
Eihort Ghroth 100.00%
Glaaki Ghroth 100.00%
Shub-Niggurath Tulzscha 100.00%
Shudde M'ell The Dunwich Horror 100.00%
Tsathoggua The King in Yellow 100.00%
Tsathoggua Tulzscha 100.00%
Y'Golonac Tulzscha 100.00%
Atlach-Nacha Ghroth 66.67%
Y'Golonac The King in Yellow 66.67%
Azathoth Ghroth 50.00%
Cthulhu The Dunwich Horror 50.00%
Eihort Tulzscha 50.00%
Shudde M'ell The King in Yellow 50.00%
Atlach-Nacha Tulzscha 33.33%
Nyarlathotep The Dark Pharaoh 33.33%
Hastur The King in Yellow 20.00%

About the Herald / guardian combinations and the impact in the number of investigators defeats, gere you have the numbers:

Type of game / number of sessions/ percentage of investigators defeat.
Herald - Guardian 29 48.28%
Herald - No Guardian 20 35.00%
No Herald - Guardian 11 18.18%
No Herald - No Guardian 72 44.44%

One new stat: Percentage of use of each expansion, as you can see, The Dark Pharaoh is the least used one:

Dunwich Horror 47.73%
Kingsport Horror 42.42%
The Dark Pharaoh 33.33%
The Yellow King 42.42%


Hopefully, during this week I will put live a web site to store and present all these stats in a more user-friendly way.

Thanks for all the submissions.
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Now those numbers are beginning to look pretty useful - I'm particularly surprised about Azathoth's and Nyarlathotep's popularity though.

I've thought of another thing you could add: Whether or not the Beloved of Bast cards were collected in a game. This seems to be an exceedingly rare circumstance. Also, silver twilight lodge membership cards. Sure, the cultist starts with one, but I've only ever had two games where someone obtained a membership during the game.

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Victimizer wrote:Now those numbers are beginning to look pretty useful - I'm particularly surprised about Azathoth's and Nyarlathotep's popularity though.

I've thought of another thing you could add: Whether or not the Beloved of Bast cards were collected in a game. This seems to be an exceedingly rare circumstance.

Maybe even a "became Changed" checkbox. I still have no idea what that does, nor do I know about the Bast cards, but I hear that they are good times for the whole family.
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Hi,

Just to let you know that I have updated the entry form to include all the "jobs" the investigators can get (as previously suggested).

Also, during these days I am not posting new reports because I am working on the website to host all this information. Expect to have it ready on next Monday.
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Awesome, looking forward to that!

Also: I'm not sure if you thought it was relevant or not, but the twilight lodge membership & beloved of bast cards are still not options on the sheet, so just pointing that out in case you missed it.

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MCF,

FFG is forming a AH league, which includes sending FFG some AO and Investigator stats. Maybe the league organizer would be interested in your statistics forms?

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ah_league.html


aka. Washu! ^O^
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@Victimizer:

Thanks for the reminder, I completelly forgot about those. Now they are in.

@ced116:

Interesting, I didn't know that. It looks to me that each scenario will have special rules that will deviate from the standard game, but I don't know. Anyway I will contact JR Godwin to see if this can be usefull in some way.
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Hello all,

At the end I didn't find time this weekend to work on the website, so I provide here the statistics including the last games.

There are more than 200 recorded, exactly 218.

Azathoth and Nyarlathotep are still the most used GOOs. Cthulhu has risen to the third place and Abboth is no longer the least used one:

GOO / Percentage of Sessions
Azathoth 10.09%
Nyarlathotep 10.09%
Cthulhu 8.26%
Hastur 7.80%
Yig 7.80%
Shudde M'ell 6.42%
Y'Golonac 6.42%
Ithaqua 5.96%
Shub-Niggurath 5.96%
Atlach-Nacha 5.05%
Abhoth 4.59%
Yog Sothoth 4.59%
Glaaki 4.59%
Yibb-Tstll 4.13%
Tsathoggua 4.13%
Eihort 4.13%

The percentage of games played without heralds is decreasing: from 62,88 % last week to the current 57.80%. About the Heralds themselves, there are no important changes:

Herald /Percentage of session (only among the games that used herald):
The King in Yellow 27.17%
Tulzscha 25.00%
Ghroth 23.91%
The Dark Pharaoh 11.96%
The Dunwich Horror 11.96%

The percentage of games played without guardians is also decreasing: from 69,70% last week to the current 61.93%. Nodens has taken the lead now (last week Bast was leading), and the numbers are much more closer this week.

Guardian /Percentage of session (only among the games that used guardian):
Nodens 34.94%
Bast 33.73%
Hypnos 31.33%

The Win/Defeat ratio is more or less stable with around 40% of the games ending with investigator defeats. The breakdown of the results shows a boost for the "Victory by Seals" option:

Game result / Percentage of sessions that ended this way
Defeat (During Final Combat) 39.91%
Victory by seals 23.85%
Victory by Final Combat 23.39%
Victory by closing gates 9.63%
Defeat by Forfeit (Game not ended) 1.38%
Defeat by Act III (King in Yellow) 0.92%
Defeat by Earthquake (Shudde M'ell) 0.92%

About the GOO Performance, Y'Golonac is still the most dangerous one. Poor Nyarlathotep is right now the weakest one. There are three GOOs that have exactly a 50% of defeats, right now:

GOO / Percentage of times the GOO won over the investigators.
Y'Golonac 64.29%
Glaaki 60.00%
Tsathoggua 55.56%
Eihort 55.56%
Atlach-Nacha 54.55%
Abhoth 50.00%
Yog Sothoth 50.00%
Shudde M'ell 50.00%
Cthulhu 44.44%
Yibb-Tstll 44.44%
Yig 41.18%
Hastur 35.29%
Azathoth 31.82%
Ithaqua 30.77%
Shub-Niggurath 30.77%
Nyarlathotep 27.27%

About the GOO / Herald combinations, I am happy to announce that user "Feroz" has defeated the previously unbeaten combination of Eihort / Groth. User "alamogold" has done the same with "Shub-Niggurath / Tulzscha". An anonymous user has won over the "Shudde M'ell / The Dunwich Horror"
combination. Despite all this efforts, the number of GOO/Heralds teams that have not been defeated keeps growing (notice that only combinations that have been played are listed here):

GOO / Herald / Percentage of times the investigators were defeated.
Abhoth The King in Yellow 100.00%
Cthulhu Ghroth 100.00%
Glaaki Ghroth 100.00%
Hastur The Dunwich Horror 100.00%
Hastur Tulzscha 100.00%
Nyarlathotep The King in Yellow 100.00%
Shub-Niggurath Ghroth 100.00%
Shub-Niggurath The Dark Pharaoh 100.00%
Tsathoggua Ghroth 100.00%
Tsathoggua The King in Yellow 100.00%
Tsathoggua Tulzscha 100.00%
Y'Golonac Tulzscha 100.00%
Yibb-Tstll Tulzscha 100.00%
Yog Sothoth Tulzscha 100.00%
Y'Golonac The King in Yellow 75.00%
Atlach-Nacha Ghroth 66.67%
Shudde M'ell The King in Yellow 66.67%
Cthulhu The Dark Pharaoh 50.00%
Cthulhu The Dunwich Horror 50.00%
Cthulhu The King in Yellow 50.00%
Eihort Ghroth 50.00%
Eihort Tulzscha 50.00%
Ithaqua The Dark Pharaoh 50.00%
Shub-Niggurath Tulzscha 50.00%
Shudde M'ell The Dunwich Horror 50.00%
Yig Tulzscha 50.00%
Yog Sothoth The Dunwich Horror 50.00%
Hastur The King in Yellow 42.86%
Atlach-Nacha Tulzscha 40.00%
Azathoth Ghroth 40.00%
Yibb-Tstll Ghroth 33.33%
Nyarlathotep The Dark Pharaoh 16.67%


About the Herald / guardian combinations and the impact in the number of investigators defeats, here you have the numbers:

Type of game / number of sessions/ percentage of investigators defeat.
Herald - Guardian 61 50.82%
Herald - No Guardian 31 38.71%
No Herald - Guardian 22 31.82%
No Herald - No Guardian 104 42.31%

Finally, the expansions usage. I am surprised about the big number of games using Kingsport Horror (I am still waiting for my copy!).

Dunwich Horror 54.59%
Kingsport Horror 48.62%
The Dark Pharaoh 39.91%
The Yellow King 49.08%

That's all for the moment.
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I would like to see a percentage of wins compared to the number of players. I am surprised no one has done this yet.

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I noticed that one recorded session claimed a loss by Earthquake where Yig was the AO. Is this a mistake?

I accidentally put in my name as Tib in one field instead of Tibs. Cursed laptop. If you don't fix that, no big deal. However:

My (Tibs) most recent game was Hastur and the Dunwich Horror herald. I forgot to put a check box that the Dunwich Horror awoke. Could you change that please? This is only because I'm interested to see how the herald affects how often the Dunwich Horror awakens. Thanks!
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@Tibs,

Yes, probably that is a mistake. I also have noticed some (2 or 3) sessions where the reported number of investigators is just "1" and the number of devoured investigators is very high (like 4 or something). Anyway, I think the number of correct games will be much bigger, so at the end the stats will not be too much affected by these errors, I hope.

By the way, I have corrected the two things you mention from your games.

@Acebob,

Here it is the stat you were demanding.

# of investigators / Percentage of investigator wins / number of investigator wins.
8 33.33% 1
7 50.00% 1
6 53.33% 8
5 68.42% 13
4 63.22% 55
3 55.32% 26
2 42.50% 17
1 60.00% 3

I would ignore the results for 1 investigator as I think those are mistakes. However I would have bet different numbers for 4 and 5 investigators... I was expecting the "optimal" chances for 4 investigators, since 5 is already spawning two monsters per gate.

If you (or any other forum user) have any other suggestion for stats, just let me know and I will see what can I do.
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I would ignore the results for 1 investigator as I think those are mistakes.


Yup. The first two sessions I reported were mistakes. I meant to put 4 investigators used 1 devoured, but because I'm very smart I did it in reverse.

Also: I have a feeling this would require a much more vast undertaking but I'd really be interested in a few drop downs that let you name the investigators you used. As the sample size grew, you could find out (loosely) not simply the successfulness of particular investigators, but, more interestingly, which investigators appear to work best with others.

Thanks for all your work. This is interesting stuff.

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alamogold wrote:
I would ignore the results for 1 investigator as I think those are mistakes.


Yup. The first two sessions I reported were mistakes. I meant to put 4 investigators used 1 devoured, but because I'm very smart I did it in reverse.

Also: I have a feeling this would require a much more vast undertaking but I'd really be interested in a few drop downs that let you name the investigators you used. As the sample size grew, you could find out (loosely) not simply the successfulness of particular investigators, but, more interestingly, which investigators appear to work best with others.

Thanks for all your work. This is interesting stuff.


Ok, thanks for letting me know; I have corrected those two games now. I was wondering about them and, if they were true, it would be one hell of a game: just one investigator being devoured four times!

Hmmm, about the investigators, maybe the best way to add them would be to have one "check box" for each existing investigator, so you can mark the ones that have been used. Is there an online list with all the existing investigator names? If so I will modify the form now. Otherwise it will have to wait until I arrive home and find some time...
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Amanda Sharpe, the Student
Vincent Lee, the Physician
Daisy Walker, the Librarian
Jacqueline Fine, the Psychic
Michael McGlen, the Gangster
Wendy Adams, the Urchin
Kate Winthrop, the Scientist
Marie Lambeau, the Entertainer
Sister Mary, the Nun
Harvey Walters, the Professor
Rita Young, the Athlete
Lola Young, the Actress
Wilson Richards, the Handyman
Charlie Kane, the Politician
"Ashcan" Pete, the Drifter
Mark Harrigan, the Soldier
Darrell Simmons, the Photographer
Gloria Goldberg, the Author
Mandy Thompson, the Researcher
Tony Morgan, the Bounty Hunter
Lily Chen, the Martial Artist
Rex Murphy, the Reporter
Leo Anderson, the Expedition Leader
Jenny Barnes, the Dilettante
Dexter Drake, the Magician
Monterey Jack, the Archaeologist
Diane Stanley, the Redeemed Cultist
Luke Robinson, the Dreamer
Carolyn Fern, the Psychologist
Joe Diamond, the Private Investigator
Bob Jenkins, the Salesman
Jim Culver, the Musician

Whew. That's too many.

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Thanks for providing the list!

I have included them in the form. Let's see how this turns out. I must say that one of my favourite characters is Wilson Richards... but I have always an ugly luck with him.
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you could ask for houserules. For instance we always play our gates upside down and use all allies.
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Well since one can add investigators now:


My Cthulhu/Groth/Hypnos game had Joe Diamond and Marie Lambeau;

The Eihort/Green Flame/Nodens game had Rex Murphy and Lily Chen;

The Atlach-Nacha/Nemesis Moon/Hypnos game had Luke Robinson and Daisy Walker (and someone became Captain of the White Ship);

The Y'Golonac/Green flame/Bast game had Wendy Adams and Lola Hayes;

The Yibb-Tstll/Nemesis Moon/Nodens game had Tony Morgan and Charlie Kane.


Don't remember any others. For ease of finding these games, The first one I listed was the most recent one I played, the others descending to the least recent one.

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I think I need a pinch of clarification. When you say "# of Investigators devoured during the game", do you mean during the WHOLE game, including the Final Battle, or just intermittent devourings during Board Play before the Final Battle?

If the game is lost during the Final Battle, does # of Investigators equal # of Devourings?

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You should clarify that the "Defeat by Earthquake" does not refer to the final battle with Shudde M'ell.

Here are some more spelling corrections:
"The terror level rose to 10" instead of "rised." Perhaps even "reached 10."

The redeemed cultist's name is Diana, not Diane

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@Tibs,
Thanks for your corrections, I have included them (lol at "rised" )

@jgt7771
I was referring to investigators devoured before the final battle. I have updated the form to clarify that.

@Victimizer
I have updated your entries with the information provided.

@All,

I will write during today the additional "logic" I need to process the data related to the investigators (also necessary for obtaining more information about the expansions usage).
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All my comments so far have been criticisms and corrections. I need to take the time to say that what you are doing is awesome and I'm glad you're doing it. Thank you.
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MCFlainez wrote:@jgt7771
I was referring to investigators devoured before the final battle. I have updated the form to clarify that.

Then my latest entry should have "# of devourings" = 0. All 4 Investigators made it to the Final Battle, but none of them went home.

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Thanks tibs, but don't worry: I also appreciate the criticisms and corrections, those are the things that can move this idea forward and enhance it.

jgt7771, your session has been corrected now.



By the way, as you can see in this picture, I have finally received Kingsport Horror. It fits barely my table! I hope to play the first game this weekend...
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MCFlainez wrote:By the way, as you can see in this picture, I have finally received Kingsport Horror. It fits barely my table! I hope to play the first game this weekend...


Ah, so you were the guy who did the Dunwich non-Euclidean spiral.
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