How Well Does TC: Adeptus Astartes Work For Your Game?

Space Monkey wrote:Hey, Patroit... where would I get hold of this wonderous fan-made pdf of joy?

Here is one way:
http://www.darkreign40k.com/downloads/career-paths/tyranus-conclave-adeptus-astartes/details-2.html

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Lord Kruge wrote: Well to try to answer that question with a straight face, there would have to be some form of internal consistency checking at Black Library. Ask MadAlfred. There isn't.

Hell, there's not neccessarily even consistency w/in the works of a given author. Yet folks keep quoting BL novels as definitive answers to stuff. How very odd.

I usually only refrence a novel or 40K literature (or 'fluff') and the bulk there of for one of two reasons:

1) Someone has already stated a given work as a/the source for x or y (like with Dark Heresy as a system being 'based upon' or 'influenced by' the works of Abnet, or one poster So-in-so has already begun refrenceing 'Novel z' as the source of his/her inspiration or the reason that such-in-such is the case for how things work in their games / the 40K univers at large.

2) I personally have no other exant source of refrence for a specif bit of information regarding an aspect of the 40K universe. In the case though it might be a novel, a WD, a line from a Codex, RT, CA, Art Book ect.

Overall GW is all shite when it comes to consistcy and continuity but ANYONE who's been in the 'hobby' for any length of time wherin a new publication is put out can see that for themselves you needn't bother Alfred with such trivialities.

Ok, I'm hoping I didnt miss some thing when I was reading thru the Space Marine PDF you have created, and in the neophyte/scout/brother scout tables it lists minor physic power as a avaliable talent but the psy rating 1 is required.

Does this mean that all characters have to be other classes prior to becoming a applicant/neophyte in order to have this option or was it an over sight and they are supposed to be able to get psy rating 1, or are you just able to purchase this talent???From all the back ground I've read/accumulated over the years its very rare for a initiate to be anything besides a raw applicant. Mainly due to the fact of being to old for the impalnts to take hold and the applicant to survive.

Reasoning behind my asking is I am thinking of working back thru the Blood Quest comics and workign out a campaign for my gamers based along these lines and I sort of want to try and keep the starting main character options avaliable. I know becoming a full fledged Libarian will be a lengthy process.. but I'm sure I'll be able to work that out.

Phealieo wrote:Ok, I'm hoping I didnt miss some thing when I was reading thru the Space Marine PDF you have created, and in the neophyte/scout/brother scout tables it lists minor physic power as a avaliable talent but the psy rating 1 is required.

Does this mean that all characters have to be other classes prior to becoming a applicant/neophyte in order to have this option or was it an over sight and they are supposed to be able to get psy rating 1, or are you just able to purchase this talent???From all the back ground I've read/accumulated over the years its very rare for a initiate to be anything besides a raw applicant. Mainly due to the fact of being to old for the impalnts to take hold and the applicant to survive.

Reasoning behind my asking is I am thinking of working back thru the Blood Quest comics and workign out a campaign for my gamers based along these lines and I sort of want to try and keep the starting main character options avaliable. I know becoming a full fledged Libarian will be a lengthy process.. but I'm sure I'll be able to work that out.

You missed the part that Librarians, Chaplains, and Techmarines all share the same common root of going through ranks 1-3 normally. During character creation a player decides which path he wants the character to go through which determines the extra abilities listed on the tables for ranks 1-3.

Which doesnt have psy rating 1 as an option jsut minor physic power. I know all Space Marines start off the same and during thier indoctrination/basic training those identified as physic potentionals are siphoned off to go thru libarian training(After becoming normal space marines...rank3). My question was Where do they ge tthe psy rating 1 from ? its not a listed talent in the pdf, just a requirement for Minor physic power.

It might have been easiy to miss but its there on the Character Creation Page:

Adeptus Astartes wrote:S
tarting Talents: Training is defined by the world the Marine comes from, and in the case there are multiple types the player decides which weapon type to learn: Feral Worlds grant primitive-
only weapons training for Melee, Pistol,
and Basic. All other world types grant Melee Weapon Training (Primitive), Pistol Weapon Training
(Primitive, Las, or SP), and Basic Weapon Training
(Primitive, Las, or SP).
Librarian Specific Talents: Psy Rating 1, 1 Minor Psychic Power, 2 Insanity Points, 2 Corruption Points.
Techmarine Specific Talents: Electro-Graft Use.
Techmarine Starting Traits: Mechanicus Implants (see Dark Heresy, page 27).
Starting Equipment: Robes of the Chapter, Flak Jacket, Flak Helmet, Weapons based upon world type:
Feral: Sword or Axe, Bow with 6 arrows or Crossbow with 6 quarrels.
Hive or Forge World: Sword or Axe; Las Pistol and a charge pack or Stub Revolver with 6 rounds of ammunition;
Las Carbine and a charge pack or Autogun with a magazine of ammunition.
Imperial, Void Born, and Mind-Cleansed: Knife; Las Pistol and a charge pack or Stub Revolver with 6 rounds of ammunition; Las Carbine with a charge pack or Autogun with a magazine of ammunition.
Noble Born: same as the other choices in the character world list for the Chapter. For example, a Space Wolf character selects to be a Noble Born, but due to Fenris being classified as Feral he gets the same equipment choice for Feral World. The same applies to the Space Marine build (see Table 1-2).
Starting Rank: Neophyte
Throne Gelt: 50+1d10
Starting Age: 1d5+10

Like ThePatriot said depending on your intend path after rank 3 you use the specified additional starting Talents, Skills lists at character creation.

Well, the amount of work I had to do to get people to try it was insane. Most of them started screaming "powergaming!" before I even finished my proposal. I told them that I'd normally agree with them but that this rules set was more about conveying the Space Marine experience than gearing up to punk Karn the Betrayer.

Although I did use the rules for a Pre-Heresy one-shot, my players all said they'd use the ruleset again, and I scribbled down the URL for 2 of the 3 players who wanted TC copies of their own.

Thank you for showing where I was missing the information its much appericated. Ill try ad look thru stuff a little more throughly next time I got a question.

Its not a problem, I miss things all the time. It really never hurts to ask someone here likely knows the answer or can point you in the 'right' direction.

Bubonicus wrote:Well, the amount of work I had to do to get people to try it was insane. Most of them started screaming "powergaming!" before I even finished my proposal. I told them that I'd normally agree with them but that this rules set was more about conveying the Space Marine experience than gearing up to punk Karn the Betrayer.

Although I did use the rules for a Pre-Heresy one-shot, my players all said they'd use the ruleset again, and I scribbled down the URL for 2 of the 3 players who wanted TC copies of their own.

How well did the Marines work out in your one shot? What's your overall opinion of the supplement?

ThePatriot wrote:

Bubonicus wrote:Well, the amount of work I had to do to get people to try it was insane. Most of them started screaming "powergaming!" before I even finished my proposal. I told them that I'd normally agree with them but that this rules set was more about conveying the Space Marine experience than gearing up to punk Karn the Betrayer.

Although I did use the rules for a Pre-Heresy one-shot, my players all said they'd use the ruleset again, and I scribbled down the URL for 2 of the 3 players who wanted TC copies of their own.

How well did the Marines work out in your one shot? What's your overall opinion of the supplement?

They worked out fine. THey seemed very balanced (my group thought the power level was just right which likely means it is a bit low for some people's tastes - my groups tend to prefer a very gritty and lethal 40k and despise cinematic action and super hero derring-do) and my players liked having the techmarine option.

Frankly, ThePatriot? I think the supplement is of very high quality. I'm actually a little sad that there will likely be official space marine rules coming in the near future that will be less in check than the ones you produced. I'm pretty pleased that a subject so prone to Mary Sue interpretations and all out power-gaming was handled so conservatively.

My overall opinion of the supplement is:

Pros: High qualitiy, dense content, conservative and thoughtful statting.

Cons: Space marine characters using these rules may be sort of awkward or unbalanced around normal Dark Heresy careers. Would primarily use the codex when running "marine only" games.