Well, here it is. And here's to hope that we get Talisman miniatures

The Talisman board. Talisman and WotR were the first games that really got me started down the Boardgaming path. With that said the only thing I didn't like about 4e (and I know that there were many that had other problems, but to tell the truth I like the game as it is a LOT) was that the stands were terrible, so they never held the cardboard characters well, and hence my first preference would be a rerelease of new character stands, OR plastic/metal miniatures of the game.

I wouldn't say no to miniatures, provided that it doesn't add too much to the price of the reprint.

By the way, if you just use a tiny bit of Blu-Tack (not sure of the US equivalent) on the bottom of the character token before you put it in the plastic stand you should have no problems!

I think the chances of getting miniatures in Talisman are slim, mainly due to the fact that the agreement with GW didn't include any right to any miniatures games.

Stands for cardboard characters might appear though.

I wondered that, but rereading the announcement made when the FFG news broke, it doesn't seem to preclude minis for Talisman.

"The agreement does not include certain GW titles in which miniatures feature as the predominant component of the game, such as Space Hulk and Blood Bowl."

Ultimately, we shall just have to wait and see, of course.

I would think that also. I mean many of ffg games have mini's but that is not their main focus. It would be nice and I hope they do. I've been able to find fair substitutes for the 4e characters and even the ones put out on Talisman Island " exception is the gnome ".

I have read about this game and seen it get good reviews on board game geek. I love good group games with theme and that is why I mostly play FFG games. Is this game going to fit in and should I pick it right away. I have a group that likes fantasy based games and wanted to know how easy it is to pick up and play (rules wise). From some of you how are Talisman buffs what are your suggestions.

tawnos76 wrote:I have read about this game and seen it get good reviews on board game geek. I love good group games with theme and that is why I mostly play FFG games. Is this game going to fit in and should I pick it right away. I have a group that likes fantasy based games and wanted to know how easy it is to pick up and play (rules wise). From some of you how are Talisman buffs what are your suggestions.

I'm not a Talisman buff by any means, but it's very easy to pick up and play in my experience. Compared to many FFG games, it's very easy.

Tawnos76 -

Talisman is a very easy game to pick up (Note 1) A 3 person game will last approximately 2-2.5 Hours a 6 person game usually lasts about 4 hours.

Talisman in a nut shell is a roll and move type of game, you do get to move in either direction so there is 'some' decision making. If you want to compare Talisman to DnD, then you will be sadly disappointed. There is character development, and battle with dice, but you do move around a board. I guess I would describe Talisman as a Fantasy/Monopoly type of game. You collect items, you develop your characters, you roll dice, you draw cards. I'm not sure if that is a fair comparison on not. But you get the idea.

Note 1: The nuances of the game, will take a few times playing to pick up on. There are alot of 'What if's' and 'What do we do in this situation' That can be confusing, and the rules can seem ambigous at times.
My biggest suggestion is, attempt to read through the rules prior to playing, and set up a practice game or 2, with a few people, before introducing it to a large group off of the get go. Its VERY benificial to have someone who is pretty familar with the rules 'helping' the other players out.

Key point to remember, especially starting out:

You *EITHER* Encounter a Character *OR* you Encounter the Space. *NOT* Both. If you can keep that particular rule in the back of your head, and reference it often. You will have alot of fun, and fewer arguments.

Playing Talisman is like a new pair of Leather shoes, a bit tight and painful at first, but once broken in, VERY comfortable.

Rick
Delaware

Thank you for the response. I will look forward to the reprint. I do not mind some of the roll and move style games. I will see if I can get a download of the rules and read them over to see if I want to continue.

i would suggest a Talisman miniature pack separate from the game itself, thus allowing for a smaller run but enough for those who wanted to purchase them.

a great expansion, to be sure.

That would be nice, but they could do both!

Didn't read the whole thread, but here's my thoughts.

GW would have to do the minis, as I see FGG"s hands tied by the whole "no minis" clause.
That being said, I thought there was a post at BI about using minis that GW already does. I'd love anything beacuse I just cannot stand the character art in 4e.
I just realized why. It' reminds me of something you'd see out of a poorly produced D20 PDF IMHO.

By the way, I bet FFG goes D20 with Talisman

. inside joke from the DH forums.

Seriously though, considering that I still have unpainted 3e minis, I'm just fine with cardboard.

I love this game so much, I feel pressured to either do the best paintjob I can, or don't do anything. Maybe I should get back to it.

As previous members have said, I wouldn't say no to miniatures, PROVIDED, that they come pre-painted. Thats the one thing I really like about this offering from, well what used to be Black Industries owned by Games Workshop, was that all I had to do was buy the game and everything was ready to play out of the box...

Well, except for there being 1000' misprints and rule clarifications, but you get what I mean. I think 4E went for a little more mainstream appeal, and I do like what it is at the moment.

I would just like to see a re-realsed with all the mistakes fixed up and a more comprehensive manual, or at least have the FAQ included, becuase there are many ways many rules can be interpreted. it's a rare oppotunity tha we can see this version fixed up and released how it was meant to be.

Don't dissapoint me FFG!

I did send an email to Customer Service requesting they take a good look at the game in it's current form. It would be nice to have them revise it before the expansions. No response as of yet. I HOPE we get some news by the GAMMA trade show next month. We'll see.....

Well, FFG has a bit of a decision to make on this one. So soon on the heels of BI's 4th Edition, some people will not be eager to buy a new reprint in order to play FFG's expansions. For others, a reprint would be the first and best thing that FFG could do.

Just speaking for myself, I'd rather see some expansions rather than a new reprint. I used to play Talisman 2e back in my pre-college days, loved it, but then couldn't get into any steady roleplaying groups as I transferred through various colleges and then on to law school. This month, my girlfriend was receptive to trying the game if I ordered it, so I enthusiastically did. Now I'm reliving those old gaming days and she likes the game too.

But I didn't do an extensive review of BI's site before ordering the game from Amazon, and so it was actually about a week after ordering that I first learned that BI had given up the game to FFG. I was a bit disappointed with that news, because playing 2e Talisman with the added expansions added quite a bit of fun to the game for me.

So from my perspective alone, if FFG starts releasing expansions to 4e, I'll be an immediate customer. If instead they first release a reprint, I will not immediately buy. I am very satisfied with 4e, and can't imagine jumping to a new print of the board within a year's time. By analogy, I was quite satisfied with 3e Dungeons and Dragons back in the day and did not jump to 3.5 when that came out. In fact, things like that peeve me a bit, because in computer games we call that a "patch," which is free. But the distinction here, with a new company owning the game, is much more legitimate.

If FFG releases a new reprint of the board, then the question is whether it becomes a complete overhaul with all new rules or just a tweak and clean-up. If the latter, then FFG's expansions will presumably be compatible with BI's 4e and with FFG's 4e. In that case, I would probably never buy the reprint, but I would readily buy the expansions.

On the other hand, if FFG instead chooses to make a 5e overhaul, then I'm gonna wait til expansions come out before I buy anything. Then I'll weigh it all out based upon other folks' reactions to the new games.

On the other hand, if FFG instead chooses to make a 5e overhaul, then I'm gonna wait til expansions come out before I buy anything. Then I'll weigh it all out based upon other folks' reactions to the new games.

That would be a sound decision. After 3e hitting the states without expansions and the BI incident with 4e, I don't think you can go wrong with waiting. I'm still in no way convinced that IF FFG makes this work, that GW won't pull the deal. Seems to be a pattern.

I guess I'd like to see a rather major overhaul, but not quite a 5th edition. Maybe 4.73

. I want them to stick with 2e as the core engine, but tune it way up to get it running as smooth as possible. This is something I feel FFG is great at with boardgames.

I'm just worried about putting expansions onto a base game that's not running near peak. I agree that the expansions of 2e really made the game fun, but, they brought lots of bugs too. I think future expansions would really benefit from a base game tune up.

At a minimum, I'd like to see the eratta and misprints fixed. Then, go after the FAQ to bring that down to size. That, I feel is mostly wording issues and will never be completly eliminated though. 2 to 3 pages MAX would be good. From there, I'd like to see new character/ rulebook art. But that is my opinion. I'd like the art to go back to the feel of the older games. I know they were cartoonish, but to me, the whole concept of the game is a little tounge in cheek.

All in all, I think FFG could do a revision while not making 4e useless to those who already own it and are used to it's "character"

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vogless wrote:GW would have to do the minis, as I see FGG"s hands tied by the whole "no minis" clause.

Not according to the original press release which stated that they would not do games where miniatures "feature as the predominant component of the game". Which in Talisman, they are not.

I think it's just a question of whether or not they want to.

But, wouldn't FFG making minis with it make the minis a central part of the game then?

That mini clause confuses me. I don't see the difference between Space Hulk, WHFQ, or Talisman as far as their use of minis or not. All used 2d terrain and would do as good with minis OR standies. I see them all as board games. However, we've been told no Space Hulk or WHFQ. I'm crossing my fingers FFG makes new games that scratch those itches though

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No matter what, I can't see GW letting FFG make minis for their games. If for no other reason, FFG distributes AT-43.

If I'm wrong, I'll be happy and buy them though!

vogless wrote:
That mini clause confuses me. I don't see the difference between Space Hulk, WHFQ, or Talisman as far as their use of minis or not.

Space Hulk is a subset of Warhammer 40k, WHFQ is a subset of Warhammer Fantasy. They predominantly feature and use minis that belong to the larger tabletop games. Now, it's true that there was an edition of Talisman that had minis and they were basically swiped from Warhammer Fantasy as far as I can tell, but that was also two editions ago, and Talisman has since gone back to standies whose images bear no particular resemblance to current WF minis.

As such, FFG could easily make a set of minis that has no similarity at all to Warhammer minis, and I suspect GW would be fine with that. Just like Warrior Knights has minis which are not connected to GW's Big Two.

Basically, from what I can tell, GW is selling off its old, little games so it can focus more completely on 40k and WF, the two big money makers it has claim to. As such, games like Space Hulk, Tyranid Attack, Blood Bowl, Necromunda, WHFQ, etc are out of the deal (they all feature minis taken directly from the Big Two) and games like Fury of Dracula, Talisman, Warrior Knights, etc are fair game (obviously, since FFG has them.) I'm trying to think of any other "small" games GW had, but I'm drawing a blank. Maybe Rogue Trooper, but someone else might own that license now (I know there's a recent video game that bears a striking similarity to that title, graphically and by name. I don't think it's a coincidence.)

Good point with Fury and Warrior Knights. I forgot about those.

After reading this, I think I'm going to pick up descent after all....

Steve-O wrote:I'm trying to think of any other "small" games GW had, but I'm drawing a blank. Maybe Rogue Trooper, but someone else might own that license now (I know there's a recent video game that bears a striking similarity to that title, graphically and by name. I don't think it's a coincidence.)

Non GW IP stuff possibly includes - Battlecars, Calamity, Chainsaw Warrior, Curse of the Mummy's Tomb, Dragon Masters, Quirks, Railway Rivals, Valley of the Four Winds and Warlock amongst others.

Probably depending on license - Doctor Who, Dungeonquest, Rogue Trooper and anything Judge Dredd related (Block Mania etc)

Then there are those little oddments like Oi, Dat's My Leg! and Trolls In The Pantry!

Thanks to BGG for the information!

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Corrected link and BBCode - Doh!

I for one certainly am glad that it looks like they wont be doing miniatures. I do have some of the same concerns as others though, the character stands are some times a little loose, and when moving a character, drop off.

So if FFG can fix that, that'll be great...

talismanisland wrote:

Steve-O wrote:I'm trying to think of any other "small" games GW had, but I'm drawing a blank. Maybe Rogue Trooper, but someone else might own that license now (I know there's a recent video game that bears a striking similarity to that title, graphically and by name. I don't think it's a coincidence.)

Non GW IP stuff possibly includes - Battlecars, Calamity, Chainsaw Warrior, Curse of the Mummy's Tomb, Dragon Masters, Quirks, Railway Rivals, Valley of the Four Winds and Warlock amongst others.

Probably depending on license - Doctor Who, Dungeonquest, Rogue Trooper and anything Judge Dredd related (Block Mania etc)

Then there are those little oddments like Oi, Dat's My Leg! and Trolls In The Pantry!

Thanks to BGG for the information!

Dark Future came to mind. A remake of Dungeonquest would be nice to have.

I had thought about adding Dark Future to the list, but remembered that the game was put up for download on the GW Specialist Games site.

But granted, it does not have any ties to either Warhammer world...

I have yet to purchase 4th ed....but if they release minis, that will be the decision that sways me to get it. I am a miniatures fan - I like buying, collecting and painting them. They add a wonderful element to Talisman that (for me) no cardboard standup can match.

Give me miniatures and I'm in. If not - why wouldn't I just stay with 2nd Ed? I have it and all the expansions. More characters, etc.

To me, 3rd Ed was the weakest game, but I really enjoyed the minis. 4th Ed looks like a return to the roots of the game. It just needs to add that one visual element and it's the version I'll be playing.