My problem is it made him seem like Robert, gave in to his emotions and that is not Stannis at all. He is iron, piss, and vinegar.

The Asha name change is just ridiculous. How could people confuse her with Osha when you can see they are different people on the screen. Makes no sense other than they must not have very high opinion of their viewership.

Rakharo's death really annoys me as, again, it was not necessary. Okay the guy got a different role in a movie, not like you have to kill him. Just don't have him any scenes on screen. He can still be there and not on screen.

HBO just renewed Game of Thrones for a third season, based on the 8.3 million viewers of the first episode.

Seriously, I dont know what you people are complaining about. As a diehard Jacelyn Bywater fan, I am very distressed he has been written out of the series.

playgroundpsychotic said:

 Have just made my way to this section of the forum for the first time, I'll just fill people in with my thoughts on things up to now for a bit of context.

Was incredibly excited when I heard this was going to be made- got Sky so that I could have Sky Atlantic just for this show.

First series was fairly good. There were several complaints but it could have been worse.

• Robert wasn't convincing enough - Mark Addy plays a good drunken fool, but he wasn't convincing as a mighty warrior gone to fat- could never envisage him winning the iron throne in the first place.
• The series feels like it's directed by Cersei - Lena Headey plays her much more like Cersei sees herself, and much less bat-shit-crazy than everyone else thinks.
• It needed flashbacks- would have provided much more context for the rebellion, how things came to be where they are, etc. and raised some of the questions that fans of the books spend forever debating (Promise me, Ned...)
• Sexposition

generally though, it was good, some great pieces of casting - Viserys, Tyrion, Bronn. I frequently wanted Jack Gleeson to die painfully, so he must be good in the part (I really hope he's a good actor, because if not, he's a horrible person)

Season 2 though, has been a major disappointment. I'll keep watching for now, but the way things are going, I could easily not bother renewing my sky subscription for next year, and wait till it reaches terrestrial in ten years time.

The names thing is just getting ridiculous. Alton Lannister, Yara Greyjoy, Kovarro- all totally unnecessary. I get it that they have to leave bits out, but the assumption that the audience are completely incapable of dealing with two characters with vaguely similar names is just idiotic.

The extra scenes are getting more divergant. A few people have already mentioned the Mel & Stannis scene, making that relationship very explicit where in the books there are hints (and very strong hints later on) but it's not made so blatant. I'm also concerned in this light that a lot of stuff about Margaery will be made clear where there's a fair amount of ambiguity in the books.

Ros has been promoted from Sexposition to having scenes of her own, which have no effect on the actual plot. Hopefully soon HBO will give her her own spin-off show, and she'll leave the main series. Not sure who Theon and Reek will be planning a visit to at the end of the series though.

I'm particular baffled/annoyed by what they're doing with the character of Littlefinger. The scene with Cersei - Knowledge is Power/Power is Power was crazy. That's what Littlefinger things, but it's the last thing he'd do. Apart from a few comments to Sansa later on, the whole reason Littlefinger does so well for himself is because he portrays himself as so unassuming and unthreatening, he would never have goaded Cersei like that.

Doing away with Jacelyn Bywater annoyed me, not so much because of doing away with a minor character, but because I think it skews Bronn's chracter arc. His rise to independent prominence/drift away from Tyrion should be more gradual- I also feel like Tyrion wouldn't give him that much independent power. It doesn't seem in his nature, or particularly likely to secure the goldcloaks - promoting one of their own/imposing an outsider.

I guess they didn't have much choice with killing Rakharro after the actor said he wanted to go, but along with everything else, it just made it feel like the show is increasingly losing the plot.

ktom said:

Definitely agree with this. I think just one scene of Stannis refusing Mel's advances would have done wonders. Just wait one or two more episodes before depicting their actual coupling. That would have helped to illustrate the iron will and resolve that are so central to Stannis's character, which in turn would have made the eventual sex scene all the more shocking and significant. I could care less about the name changes (although I think they could have done better than Yara), but I just would have preferred more narrative buildup before this particular reveal.

starhawk77 said:

Excellent analysis. I'm generally Ok with the Painted Table scene - but that woudl ahve been better. Tehy just may not have ahd room to develop ti given the ten episode constraint - but this would have been much better.

They are really doing hte Theon storyline justice. i always sympathized with him in Clash - and I think they have shaded his character nicely in teh adaptation. The scene of him buring the warning note to Robb was poignant.

Love what they have done with Margaery as well.

I suppose it’s just the nature of the saga, but it seems like once Ned was lost, the ACME Universal Screw was removed, and the rest of this contraption just blew apart to the four winds. Everyone is so spread out that characters I expect to see are suddenly taking a week off. No Stannis, no Robb, no Daenerys...okay, that last one is maybe just bitterness, as her story has hit such a dry spell anyway (and I do mean DRY).

The “newest” information is finally catching up with Renly. His location doesn’t warrant a clockwork cog castle in the credits, but I imagine he’s headquartered himself in official Baratheon territory, aka the Stormlands (which would explain the rather rocky terrain). Renly says he’s got the loyalty of all the men of the Reach, which is, what, all the plains south of the line between King’s Landing and Casterly Rock? If that’s true, then I rather wonder what the hell Renly is waiting for, as Catelyn tries to bring up. Is he worried about Stannis? Or his lack of an heir? (Stannis seems to share this concern.) Or is he just a wuss? I’m inclined to believe this last one; no sense for me buying into the grand Baratheon name now.

Ser Loras beaten by a girl...a six-foot-three mountain of a girl. Brienne was a bit of a shock, and she’s quite grim. Very focused on becoming a Kingsguard. Reminds me a lot of a pint-sized Stark lost in the forest.

Natalie Dormer, yay! (Her...modesty...was legendary on The Tudors.) Stuck in a convenient marriage with her brother’s lover...maybe not “stuck” per se, since she seems more than willing to do anything for, with, or around her brother to get knocked up by his lover. All I can say is: wow, how gay is Renly? Way to salt the titillation: the collective attitudes of this royal triumvirate kinda creep me out.  (Not that I don't want to see more of Margaery.)

Balon Greyjoy is an immense @$$hole. I understand him holding a grudge against the Starks, but it wasn’t like he wasn’t asking for it when he revolted in the first place. Maybe I’m not being fair, because I'm obviously biased toward House Stark, but as far as I can tell, this jerk seceded from the kingdom after Robert took the throne, pissed all over the Lannister navy, and started throwing his “iron rules” onto the west coast. When Robert retaliated, Balon got deservedly spanked HARD, losing just about everything. (Gotta love the look on Balon’s face as Theon shouted at him how he was abandoned to the Starks, like some unwanted mongrel. Yeah, you know you suck, you ironborn bastard.)

So, like that one computer bitch who makes its move while you’re focusing on a different front in any strategy game, Balon wants to sneak up to the Neck, choke it off, and...what? Take Winterfell? Just how big are the Pyke forces anyway? The Kraken’s got a bunch of rocky islands, and the Wolf has about HALF of Westeros’ real estate. Someone needs to teach this twit about Napoleon and Russia in winter. I can’t see how this can end well for Balon, but I guess so long as he clings to his idiotic philosophy of take-take-take-no-compromise, he just won’t care.

It’s quite disheartening to see how brainwashed Yara is with Daddy’s mottos—I rather like her fire; too bad her fireplace is broken—but it’s thoroughly discouraging to watch Theon choose murky blood over honor. Dude, you don’t even LIKE your family! Get the hell over yourself and do the righ…never mind. I liked you, Theon; you were still kind of a medieval douche, but you were our medieval douche. Now I just hope you find your conscience before it’s too late.

(“What is dead may never die”? Drowned God? I think Balon is playing the wrong FFG card game.)

Tyrion's still playing mind games to keep the target off his back by removing every potential archer that could hit it. (I love how they ran all three “secret” conversations together.) Surprisingly, he caught Pycelle! For a second, I wanted to believe the old man—maybe Varys did figure Tyrion’s gambit out and played his own end-around to implicate Pycelle—but once he started claiming his devotion to the Lannisters (which fits with his crappy behavior at the end of Season 1), I was fine with his betrayal and removal. First mention of House Martell by name, I think, and yet another house that hates the Lannisters. I wonder if Tyrion does actually plan to marry Myrcella off (over Cersei’s dead body, I suppose), and if that’s how Dorne finally shows up. Tyrion and Varys seem to have gotten chummy—the “Where Power Lies” speech was nifty—but I’m thinking Baelish is getting a bit fed up with Lannisters. There is really only one side in King’s Landing: your own.

Jon Snow learns that the Night’s Watch has crappy-but-necessary allies. Just like America.

Bran seems to be projecting inside his direwolf when he sleeps (possibly Rickon too). Luwin brings up the actual word “magic”, but like any adult who grew out of a non-magical kid, he tells Bran it’s just crazy dreams. “The dragons are dead, the giants are gone, and the children of the forest are forgotten.” Well, we out here in the omniscient audience know that that first one is now officially crap, so it's not hard to believe the others are too, and that Bran is some kind of mutant throwback to some old druids.

Sansa is apparently bullied by Mommy Lannister every damn day, I guess whenever Joffrey’s too busy killing children to do it. So of course a deeply despondent Sansa is going to lash out at her new servant girl Shae, since it’s her ONLY venting outlet. Shae’s much too even-tempered to bite, though, and Sansa eventually gives up. A shaky association to keep an eye on, but at least it’s better than listening to Shae WHINE about being bored.

Finally, Arya has her last conversation with Yoren before he is killed by the return of the Gold Cloaks. (Another Jory: I LIKED HIM!) This goes badly for just about everyone in the caravan, except for the three hard cases that Arya hands a axe (took her a second with that choice) and, in one big way, Gendry, who remains anonymous (and now thought dead), thanks to some poor broken kid and one bad cop. So much for going home. I just hope karma catches up to these rats before they get Arya all the way back to King’s Landing.

Nice synopsis.

RE: the War in the North.  Yes: the North si a big chunk of terrain - and has a decnet sized popualtion comparatively. But It not the South adn Robb has taken just abotu everyone of figthing age south with him. The Iron Islands can field more than enough men to hit several aplces in teh depeleted North and plunder and loot as they will.

Given teh circumstances: Balon sees an opening and is more than prepared to reave right throught it. You'll find its a pretty common trait for the Krakens.

So Robb seems to be doing all right as this guerrilla King of the North (now an official rallying cry, like Maud’Dib) with Grey Wind, a forward scout-assassin the size of a horse. I would guess he’s still outnumbered by the Lannisters, but at a 5-to-1 win ratio that will be going down fast. Robb seems to take a shining to Talisa, a new girl acting as part of the Battlefield Clean-Up crew, although not seeming to be one of the majority of white-cloaked nuns doing the same. No obvious reciprocation, however: she’s not buying his justification (or rationalization) for all this bloodshed. Not that anyone couldn’t see her point, but that’s why there’s war: we just want to kill the cretin in charge, but there’s 30,000 conscripts between us and him. But Talisa’s probably just as angry with Tywin. Still, Robb seems undeterred and attracted; shame he’s betrothed to some hag in the Twins (or something like that).

New locations! First up is Harrenhal, the first clockwork cog castle that has no moving parts. Which is eventually explained in graphic view: the fortress is completely melted from some (must have been BAD) encounter with the old Targaryen Air Force. This is where Arya and the rest of the Night’s Watch recruits have been brought. I figured it was a staging area or a pit stop, but the resident garrison is content to burn through its non-Lannister residents with the old burrow-a-rat-through-your-chest trick, so maybe it’s supposed to be their last stop. The Mountain picks one prisoner (arbitrarily?) and some wincey named Pollivar interrogates them about “The Brotherhood” which no one knows anything about. (Is it an actual organization, or a non-existent excuse for sadistic rodent torture?) Arya spends her wet, muddy nights repeating her $#!% List over and over, acquiring the first quality necessary for revenge: obsession. I couldn’t help but smile as she smoothly adds the Harrenhal supervisors to her grievances.

It looked like time was up for Gendry AGAIN, when—are you kidding?—who should arrive but dear old Brother Numpsie, fairly pissed at the state of his war. One would begin to assume that Lannister is running out of regulars and is drafting any half-able militiamen he can find to throw in front of the Northerners, so why not put the prisoners to work for the war effort? Gendry is especially useful as a smithy, and Tywin sees through Arya’s “disguise” in a heartbeat. In fact, her shrewdness at “travel safety” impresses him so much, he takes her to kill him as soon as his eyes are clos…urm, to be his cupholder. (I can’t imagine Polliver will last much longer with his grubby mitts on her dear Needle.) My mind is fairly blown at Arya’s Moses-like fortunate rise into the enemy’s ranks.

The other location, Qarth, is technically spoiled by the credits, but it’s not like anyone’s hiding the Westeros/Essos atlas, and Daenerys was going to have to find SOMEWHERE to go or else fade away forever. Qarth turns out to be a desert port (Lut Gholein, anyone?), with formidable walls separating its people from the “Garden of Bones”: one assumes that if you survive the Red Waste long enough to get to Qarth, you better find a way in before the sun finishes you off. After engaging in some loaded parlaying with some fat schmuck of “The Thirteen” (local government, possibly arrogant), the Mother of Dragons loses her temper (even without the ability to really back it up) and rages enough to impress one rather large dark man (name with a lot of Xs in it, I hear) Daxos. He pulls some ritualistic display of sponsorship, and Daenerys finally gets a break.

“Hey, do you hate Joffrey yet?”
“Yes, I totally do. Pretty much since he had Ned executed.”
“Are you sure? What if he turns Sansa into a shadow of herself?”
“Um, yeah, I would still hate him.”
“Hmmm, what if…”
“Yes! We want him dead already! You can stop bludgeoning us with reasons to hate him!”
“I don’t know…sounds like there’s still some wiggle room there…how about…we do this!”
“……”

Joffrey’s taking Robb’s victory pretty hard, and decides to take it out on Sansa in the middle of court, Mad King style. Tyrion shows up to rescue her, and foolishly tries to reason with Joffrey. It’s still very scary how Joffrey continues to justify such malicious behavior with the fact that he’s king and therefore torturing his subjects on a whim is perfectly natural. In fact, he’s SO messed up in his head that instead of enjoying Ros and Daisy, he sees them as a method to demonstrate to Tyrion who the hell is in charge here. I could feel my happy lizard brain (“Nudity! Yay!”) falter and then completely stall as it gradually dawned on it how badly the scene had turned.

Granted, I only know about one primary incident with the Mad King (his last, apparently) but one can probably see that monster doing the same crap Joffrey is now. This CAN’T be what the Lannisters intended when Cersei made her play, and every time I see Joffrey, it just gets worse and worse. There will come a time when even his mother will realize that with another Mad King, EVERYONE LOSES.

Tyrion is to the Lannisters as Ned Stark was to the Iron Throne: the man who SHOULD be in charge. The only man smart enough to outmaneuver his entire family: the key, it would seem, is to have as few skeletons in your closet as possible. (I dread for poor Shae…) Lancel is an idiot, and attempts to bully Tyrion with the power he thinks he has, but, much like Ned, learns that that only works when your opponent respects the power you claim to have. (Ooo, Varys was right.) Tyrion does not, uses the Grand Fear of Joffrey to reduce Lancel to a pleading fool, and gains his allegiance against Cersei inside five minutes. I was laughing the whole time.

I thought that the Marriage-of-Myrcella gambit was to figure out which member of the Small Council was a threat, but perhaps it was twofold. Since the only way Pycelle, Varys, or Baelish could be a threat was by being a spy for Cersei, not only did Tyrion need to figure out which one was the spy, but to then to use the release of the spy as the catalyst for getting Lancel alone (since Tyrion knows Cersei would never come to his room). Just goes to show how many moves ahead Tyrion thinks in the game.

And now for the Everyone Hates Baelish show! Pretty sure that Baelish knows by now how royally he screwed up (literally!), and now he’s scrambling to make sure he has an out when the bulldozers show up for the Lannisters. Problem is, Renly sees right through your desperate attempts to throw a lifeline toward him, Margaery doesn’t care what you think you know about her king/husband, and…really, dude? You pick now to make your move on Catelyn? I’m with her: "Have you lost your mind?!" And then he LIES about Arya! All while there is a BOX OF NED IN THE ROOM!!! Seriously, man, Varys is laughing his ass off at you. Now go home and see if you can put the Daisy pieces back together, you weasel.

Stannis and Renly finally meet and bark at each other. Renly laughs at Stannis’ unpopularity and teeny army, and Stannis glowers at Renly’s disrespect and Stark’s alliance. And yet Stannis is completely convinced he can win, while Melisandre warns in trite witchspeak. Are the pirates supposed to be the hidden hole card? Unless Stannis has some brilliant strategy, he’s toast. (Note that this is exactly how I felt as it was happening.)

So then Melisandre goes off to some cave to babble meanderingly around Davos. Is this part of the strat…wtf? Okay, I KNOW it didn’t take Arya nine months to get to Harrenhal, so something is seriously wrong with Melisandre here.

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!?

Lord of Light, my fat hairy eye. After a season of barely any magic at all (just Sheep Person voodoo and dragons), Magic finally shows up and claws its way out of the Red Witch’s womb. NOW I believe that Stannis can win if you toss wraiths into the mix. A lot of soldiers are going to die, unless the plan is to just erase Renly and be done with it. (Why aren’t they just pointing Melisandre’s thighs at King’s Landing then?)

I cna't wait to see your review of "The Ghost of Harrenhall" and hwo the story answers the questiosn you pose in your last paragraph.

i really enjoyed last nigth's episode and think they have skillfully distlled the msot important and exciting parst of a pretty dull, middle trilogy novel. I think we are building uo tp a spectyacular finish and can't wait to see hwo thinsg play out.

Renly finally agrees to a Stark alliance, with a couple of caveats, and…um…oh, what difference does it make? Melisandre’s Shadowwombthing slithers in, jabs Renly through the heart, and disappears. And that, as they say, is that. It only takes the “head of the snake” to be gone for EVERYONE to flock to the last Baratheon standing.

Catelyn and Brienne (angry with revenge, but fleeing misplaced blame) forge a partnership as they head back to Robb, while Littlefinger finds a kindred spirit in the suddenly-deposed Margaery, who declares her inner Anne Boleyn (wants to be THE Queen). Apparently, they flee with Ser Loras the Heartbroken back to House Tyrell’s territory.

Well, all I can say is that all this makes it easier for me to choose a Baratheon myself. Not that I’m all that thrilled about Stannis; he’s just such a hardass. It’s a little irritating that he barely listens to anyone. Davos has to pound him on the side of the head with a sledgehammer over and over to get him to even look at him. But it seems like a siege on King’s Landing is finally on the horizon. (And I can’t see Melisandre just waiting in the Stormlands while it happens.)

Tyrion feels the Doomsday Clock on his back all the time now. The Lannisters are severely outnumbered now; as long as Tywin continues to lose to Robb, the combined Baratheon army-navy dwarf the remaining forces of King’s Landing. (Did I say “dwarf”? I meant “demon monkey”.) Tyrion scrambles about, trying to uncover the defense plans of King Joffrey the Lost Cause, because Cersei would rather drink than accept Tyrion’s help. (It feels like we’re losing Cersei.) It turns out, the defense plan is Wildfire, the Westeros version of NAPALM! And A LOT OF IT. Bron is unconvinced that this is a valid plan, since cowardly men with napalm equals a burnt town full of burnt cowardly men. At the end there, it feels like Tyrion has a better plan for this Wildfire…

Theon has his ship, and he’s soooo proud of it…for about 37 seconds. His crew doesn’t give a goat turd about him or his command; raiding fishermen is a crap job for a crap captain, and he can swim out to the crap boat himself for all they crappin’ care. However, Dagmer the First Mate seems to have some sense of duty to whichever captain he serves, and sparks a bit of inspiration within the lost Theon: a true ironborn doesn’t necessarily “follow orders”. If he picks a more satisfying target than puny fishermen, he might win the crew over. They wouldn’t be able to hold that more satisfying target (Torrhen's Square) for long, because whatever garrison forces remain in Winterfell would come after it. But then…here’s where you can see Theon’s gears turning, and the foreshadowing begins to flap in the breeze.

Cut over to Lord Bran, as Ser Roderick reports that Torrhen’s Square has indeed been occupied. Bran allows him to charge off with the men to recover it. The foreshadowing flaps harder as the breeze rises to a howl. Bran goes out for a “walk” while trying to figure out what a three-eyed raven means, and describing his latest dream where the ocean comes to drown Winterfell. And that’s when the foreshadowing rips loose and smacks us all across the face: Theon, armed with years of knowledge and a bloodthirsty crew, intends to actually take Winterfell. (I SWEAR TO YOU I thought I was KIDDING!!!) That poor stupid fool. Giving up a virtual brother for a father and sister that won’t even thank him for it. God help him if he actually hurts someone who matters. (Catelyn! Don’t go home!!)

Arya has found a certain level of operating independence as Tywin Lannister’s attendent; today, her path finally crosses with the prisoner she set free the day she was captured. I should have known better that I was gonna have to know this Jaqen H’ghar (had to look that name up). I LOVE how Jaqen talks. He is capable of speaking normally, but when it seems like he wants his words to have extra weight, he cuts to an odd style of “unfamiliar third person”: he knows he means himself or Arya, but instead of using their names, he reduces them down to “a man” and “a girl”. At any rate, he believes in the “Red God”…Death? War? When I tried to look up the Gods in the literature wiki, it felt like I was veering too close to spoilers, so I kinda wish HBO would be a bit more forthcoming with the which Gods are for whom. (Or is that coming up? Does it even matter?)…and the Red God doesn’t appreciate being cheated of his lives. (Final Destination, anyone?) So the balance must be restored: the three prisoners’ lives that Arya saved must be returned, and Jaqen will apparently kill any three people Arya names. With a bit of disbelief, she throws out what must have been a “gimme” name: the Tickler, the Harrenhal torturer who loves chest rats.

Tywin puts her on the spot during a “Let’s Bitch about Robb” meeting, and forces her to admit she’s a Northerner. (Wisely, she keeps hidden that she’s an actual Winterfeller.) He eggs her on about Robb, and she gets a little fanciful about Robb’s “wolfen” abilities. And when she stares at Tywin and finally delivers the line I’ve loved since the previews—“Anyone can be killed.”—she DOESN’T LET UP THE STARE. Then, of course, the Tickler winds up with his head on backwards. And Arya’s gears begin to turn… (Will she go for the gold and take out Tywin? Or will she shoot for the moon and call for King Joffrey?)

The Night’s Watch (rather, the Lost Legion) are in the middle of rocky nowhere, meeting up with one of the most seasoned Rangers (apparently survived the last Winter stuck on the wrong side of the Wall). He reports that Mance Rayder is almost ready to move, and if he does, Westeros will be crushed by his infinite forces of every Wildling anywhere. The only way to prevent this is to sneak right into his camp with a teeny strike force and put a proton torpedo down the two-meter thermal exhaust port, just below the main port. In other words, no Mance, no invasion. Jon Snow takes his shot with Lord Mormont, and finally gets promoted to Ranger to join Quorin Halfhand in taking out a Wildling lookout position.

Daenerys has apparently taught her dragons to cook and eat their food: it is absolutely adorable to watch the black one flick up his “pilot light”, barbecue a chunk of meat, and chug it down. (Dragons, being mythical creatures, can take many forms as per their creator, but I see that these dragons do not have independent wings. More like bats or wyverns or pterodactyls, their wings are part of their forearms.)

Qarth is a sudden reversal for Daenerys: she spent all that time acclimating to the Dothraki, but now she’s reverting back to her Targaryen Princess life. The shift is welcomed by Doreah, her civilized servant, but really upsetting Irri, her Dothraki one. (Frankly, I welcome the return of the more regal Daenerys.) Daenerys even has to play interference during Daxos’ party before her tribe attempts to dismantle an expensive garden fixture. She meets the leader of the Warlocks guild (creepy), while Jorah meets a mysterious woman rather concerned with protection of the Mother of Dragons (coolest mask ever!). With all this new “court” attention, one wonders how long Daenerys will remain “Dothraki”.

Later, Daxos throws out his perception that Jorah loves her, but she shuts that down quick. Then he attempts to more or less bribe a matrimony out of Daenerys with the promise of his Scrooge McDuck vault. And she’s really considering it until Jorah’s negative vote turns just a wee bit romantic. You can see Daenerys start to question “DOES he really love me?”—kudos to Emilia Clarke for really nailing the facial expressions—and their conversation gets really…“professional” after that, even though they could both be perceived as “solemnly flirtatious”.

 Generally I thought the last few episodes have been ok- still a lot of made-yup stuff, but much more in keeping with the feel of the books.

Still very concerned by the missing characters though- there doesn't seem to be much planning ahead: (VAGUE SPOILERS MAY FOLLOW)

Wex Pike, yeah he's an obvious one to miss out - unless he later on proves to be the only person with crucial information about certain missing persons.

No sign of Jojen and Meera either.

Currently, their part seems to be going to Osha. But If Osha goes on the Reed's journey, then Who will not-Wex be spotting come Dance?

I'm almost hoping that GRRM sets out to write Winds of Winter with a plan of "how much crap can I drop them in for writing out all my minor characters," but then, we've already lost all the male Tullys, and they don't seem worried about that…

  Doubt the show will make it to Dance. I hope it gets canceled. From what I have read online this last episode was terrible. 

Toqtamish said:

Dunno where you read, but the Westeros forum was full of praises and even posts saying that this episode is the best of the whole series so far. Have to see it myself thou. 

Also really hope they continue all the way to dance.