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fruszu said:
You can put into play Gandalf with Sneak Atack and then return him to your hand at the end of the phase, but you cannot use his ability then. Why?:
SNEAK ATTACK: Action: Put 1 ally card into play from your hand. At the end of the phase, if that ally is still in play, return it to your hand.
GANDALF: At the end of the round, discard Gandalf from play.
Response: After you play Gandalf from your hand, (choose 1): draw three cards, discard one enemy from the staging area, or reduce your threat by 5.
Sneak attack obliges you to return the ally to your hand sooner (at the end of the phase) than Gandalf's card text (at the end of the round). So you don't have to discard Gandalf in that case.
But you cannot deal damage from Gandalf's ability when you put him into play with Sneak Attack. Because Gandalf's text says: After you play Gandalf from your hand.
Playing and putting into play are two different things, i think (in other card games are: for example in AGoT LCG). The first one means, that you have to play the card with all costs and by the standard rules. Putting into play bypasses normal rules and costs. Page 8 and 25 of the LotR LCG rulebook suggest that there's a difference between playing and putting into play, so i think this rule also applies in LotR.
Then:
You can put Gandalf into play with Sneak Attack, but you cannot use his ability then (but he can still fight :) )
Completely agree with your reasoning. I am quite sure that is how Sneak Attack + Gandalf combo should be played.
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Indeed. Would be near game-breaking if you could plonk down a free Gandalf and then have him do all his stuff.
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fruszu said:
Does the final Gandy say that? Spoilers on BGG at least seem to indicate his text now reads: "After Gandalf enters play...", which would allows SA + Gandy combo. Going by the below, they changed Gandy's wording:
www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/lotr/lord-of-the-rings-card-spoiler/_/core/gandalf-core
A dirty mind is its own reward.
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fruszu said:
Does the final Gandy say that? Spoilers on BGG at least seem to indicate his text now reads: "After Gandalf enters play...", which would allows SA + Gandy combo. Going by the below, they changed Gandy's wording:
www.cardgamedb.com/index.php/lotr/lord-of-the-rings-card-spoiler/_/core/gandalf-core
Thank you, I didn't know that. I used spoiler from lotrlcg.com and from "promotional" (official, i thought) pictures of Gandalf's card. I don't have my copy yet (still waiting for shipping). Sorry then. If Gandalf's text is like that on cardgamedb, then Gandalf's ability will work after put into play with Sneak Attack.
Now the question to all the lucky people who have english version already: What Gandalf says? :-)
That does change the issue completely. i would now say that you CAN use Gandalf's full abilities with Sneak Attack. interesting...that is incredibly strong, but judging from the initial reports of games being played, the power curve of this game might actually need an extremely strong combo like this. Darn, it's time this game gets delivered to my door...
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fruszu said:
Now the question to all the lucky people who have english version already: What Gandalf says? :-)
Yes, that change has been made. I still find hard to believe that combo is valid. Will wait for official FAQ then since opinions seem varied.
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I just finished my first game...and here is my impression:
Nice! I quite like the game, although I need some practice, the game seems more complex than I thought.
The Gandalf combo was already much discussed in advance I just pulled it off. It works pretty well but it didn't feel incredibly overpowered. First of all costs 5 tokens, so you really think twice before putting that guy down for 5, but also it is not so easy to have Gandalf AND Sneak Attack on your hand (true, there is but one copy of Gandalf in the initial play decks, so its almost impossible but still..). He basically kills off one enemy or gives you a huge card advantage.
What I was wondering, though is whether it is legitimate to put down Gandalf with the Sneak Attack and THEN play a Valiant Sacrifice?! I did it and that was awesome...
Ok, apart from Gandalf I was really disappointed with the cards, like some other users already stated: They are really really thin. The material seems quite sturdy though, but I really consider buying sleeves...I am a bit annoyed by this since I don't like to use sleeves for my board / cardgames...
Also I will probably start constructing multi-sphere decks really soon...I always seem to have the same cards on my hand...the ones that are 2-3 times in the deck. This makes it kind of boring since some of the cards don't really seem useful at most of the time.
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Just tried the second scenario and I was defeated in every possible way ;) I tried multiple deck combinations, but after all, I couldn't make any progress in 2B.
After having defeated the Hill Troll (with a lot of luck due to good cards in my hand) I had the problem that when I had to draw two cards in every adventure phase I drew 2 location cards in the first two rounds of 2B. So after 2 rounds I had around 10-12 Threat strength just by location cards which I couldn't handle with my heroes so the threat level kept rising and rising.
Well, guess I should practice a little more with the first scenario ;)
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DrNate said:
servant of the secret fire said:
I plan to make a deck like this(Gimli,Legolas and Eowyn).You use 3 copies of Gandlaf or 2 are enough for this deck ?
You stole my deck idea before I even ever told anyone that it was my deck idea! I'm using three Gandalf, because I am scared to run with less than three, until I build up my confidence through play.
I think this is an obvious combo for someone who just started the game.On paper (i don't know if that works in practise) Eowyn and Legolas is a very strong combo for questing and spirit cards combine with 3 Gandalfs can help you a lot with your threat.Gimli i think is the best hero (correct me if i am wrong) for combat fase and Beorn is a very strong ally even if you don't use his abilities.
Few hours left and i will see this in practise
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Acererak said:
fruszu said:
Now the question to all the lucky people who have english version already: What Gandalf says? :-)
Yes, that change has been made. I still find hard to believe that combo is valid. Will wait for official FAQ then since opinions seem varied.
He has changed since demos, but whenever you demo'd the game the Sneak/Gandalf combo was highlighted. So I assume it is valid. It is a combo, however, and if you have a perfect set up is only a couple of times a game.
King eh, very nice...
@servant
great, let us know what you think of the game! I managed to get hands on the game today I wish we could meet for a round of co-op!
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faith_star83 said:
@servant
great, let us know what you think of the game! I managed to get hands on the game today I wish we could meet for a round of co-op!
I am very huppy for you mate.I am glad you found a way and you have the game so soon.Distance is a promblem but never say never in life.Maybe you can have your vocations in Greece this summer and we can kick Sauron's **s together after a great day in the beach
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rings said:
He has changed since demos, but whenever you demo'd the game the Sneak/Gandalf combo was highlighted. So I assume it is valid. It is a combo, however, and if you have a perfect set up is only a couple of times a game.
Having 3 Sneak Attacks + 3 Gandalfs in your deck, plus the fact that you could double use each Gandalf card (one with sneak attack, which puts him back in your hand for a ridiculous 1 resource cost, and one paying his usual cost)...well, I see high probabilities of this happening quite a few times during a game.
Experience will tell though, I guess. Thanks for the info.
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What would happen then if you have multiple players running multiple copies of Gandalf and Sneak Attack? Would their constant onslaught break the game? Or would the encounter deck manage to compensate since it plays more cards into the staging areas when there are more players?
Keep in mind, you can't have multiple copies of Gandalf in play at the same time. That's less of an issue with Sneak Attack, since you bounce your Ally at the end of a phase, but if you are playing a four player game in which everyone has three Gandalfs, it will come up.
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