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A few questions
by Serazu
Published on 04 May 2011 - 05:33:25
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Reply #61 | Published on 31 July 2011 - 12:57:00
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Serazu said:

1. "Lannisport Brothel": when its ability is used, the card remains knelt during the next round, correct?

Just to be sure: you can use response of Lannisport Brothel every turn.

Reply #62 | Published on 31 July 2011 - 13:54:03

Rogue30 said:

Serazu said:

 

1. "Lannisport Brothel": when its ability is used, the card remains knelt during the next round, correct?

 

 

Just to be sure: you can use response of Lannisport Brothel every turn.

Sure, but, once it uses its ability, it stays knelt in the next turn.

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Reply #63 | Published on 31 July 2011 - 14:16:33

Serazu said:

Sure, but, once it uses its ability, it stays knelt in the next turn.

 

Well, it sounds like you've realized this, but here goes: It stays knelt until next round's standing phase, in which it stands and will be ready to be triggered again that same standing phase. It's really no different from any other card, except there's few cards that are triggered in the standing phase, so just by phase count, it stays knelt longer than most other cards. But it's not special, in any way.

Reply #64 | Published on 02 August 2011 - 15:33:04

Can I use Jaqen H' ghar's ability on a character who was sent to my opponent's dead pile via Aegon's Hill? I suppose I cannot, since Aegon's Hill does not kill, right?

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Reply #65 | Published on 02 August 2011 - 15:50:15
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Correct. It is not being in the dead pile that defines the character as killed. It's how it got there that mattered. Aegon's Hill doesn't kill anything.

There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness.'

 - Dave Berry

Reply #66 | Published on 11 August 2011 - 06:28:08

 Two new questions:

1. Magister Illyrio: What happens if my opponent has no gold to pay? Does he still challenge me or does Illyrio block his challenge?

2. Characters A, B, C and Core Benjen Stark are in play. Characters D, E and F are in the dead piles. Valar is revealed. What happens? I know that Benjen is not saved and that D, E and F are returned to the decks. What about A, B and C? Does Benjen Stark's ability save them? It has to do something with moribund I guess, but can someone answer and be analytical?

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Reply #67 | Published on 11 August 2011 - 08:03:44
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Serazu said:

1. Magister Illyrio: What happens if my opponent has no gold to pay? Does he still challenge me or does Illyrio block his challenge?
If I remember correctly, it was ruled by FFG that Illyrio's ability made paying the gold a condition of declaring the challenge. No gold, no challenge.

Serazu said:

2. Characters A, B, C and Core Benjen Stark are in play. Characters D, E and F are in the dead piles. Valar is revealed. What happens? I know that Benjen is not saved and that D, E and F are returned to the decks. What about A, B and C? Does Benjen Stark's ability save them? It has to do something with moribund I guess, but can someone answer and be analytical?
Because of the moribund rules, Benjen Stark and any characters killed by the same effect, will still be on the table when Ben's "shuffle the dead pile into your deck" effect takes place. A, B, and C suffer the same fate as Benjen - they miss his shuffle effect and end up in the newly empty dead pile.

Please note that none of this is "saving." Saving is when a character is targeted to leave play by one effect, and a second effect interrupts and stops it.

There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness.'

 - Dave Berry

Reply #68 | Published on 16 August 2011 - 07:13:56

1. In the theoretical case there is such a card in the environment: If an attachment with a "cannot be saved" effect is attached on The Red Keep and an effect discards this location from play, which of the two takes precedence: the attachment's ability or the location's? I guess the location's, since the attachment's prevents saving, the Red Keep's text though says nothing about "save", so it avoids discarding and goes into the shadows. Correct?

2. Can Paper Shield cancel the effect of cards such as Guilty, where the influence cost is optional?

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Reply #69 | Published on 16 August 2011 - 08:15:11

Serazu said:

1. In the theoretical case there is such a card in the environment: If an attachment with a "cannot be saved" effect is attached on The Red Keep and an effect discards this location from play, which of the two takes precedence: the attachment's ability or the location's? I guess the location's, since the attachment's prevents saving, the Red Keep's text though says nothing about "save", so it avoids discarding and goes into the shadows. Correct?

 

Correct. Returning to shadows is in this case not a save. 

 

Serazu said:

2. Can Paper Shield cancel the effect of cards such as Guilty, where the influence cost is optional?

Paper shield always checks the real circumstances. So if you pay either gold or influence for an effect with variable payment options (like guilty) paper shield can´t cancel the effect.  

Reply #70 | Published on 16 August 2011 - 08:23:51

Old Ben said:

Serazu said:

 

2. Can Paper Shield cancel the effect of cards such as Guilty, where the influence cost is optional?

 

 

Paper shield always checks the real circumstances. So if you pay either gold or influence for an effect with variable payment options (like guilty) paper shield can´t cancel the effect.  

Even if my opponent chose to pay Guilty with Influence?

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Reply #71 | Published on 16 August 2011 - 08:39:27

Serazu said:

Old Ben said:

 

Serazu said:

 

2. Can Paper Shield cancel the effect of cards such as Guilty, where the influence cost is optional?

 

 

Paper shield always checks the real circumstances. So if you pay either gold or influence for an effect with variable payment options (like guilty) paper shield can´t cancel the effect.  

 

 

Even if my opponent chose to pay Guilty with Influence?

 

If your opponent choses to pay the cost of guilty with influence you can´t cancel it with paper shield.

 

You check the requirements like this:: 

 

Response: Cancel the effects of an event card (+) just played (+)

that does not have a gold (+)

or an influence (-) cost.

 

(+) = fulfilled 

(-) = not fulfilled 

 

The "or" indicates that both requirements must be fulfilled. 

 

Reply #72 | Published on 16 August 2011 - 08:57:03

Old Ben said:

If your opponent choses to pay the cost of guilty with influence you can´t cancel it with paper shield.

 

You check the requirements like this:: 

 

Response: Cancel the effects of an event card (+) just played (+)

that does not have a gold (+)

or an influence (-) cost.

 

(+) = fulfilled 

(-) = not fulfilled 

 

The "or" indicates that both requirements must be fulfilled. 

 

Just making sure I understand - but didn't you mean that "The 'or' indicates that both requirements must NOT be fulfilled."?

So if the event is paid for by either gold or influence, paper shield can't be used.  It doesn't have to be both.  Is this correct?  Or did I completely misunderstand your post?

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Reply #73 | Published on 16 August 2011 - 09:28:04

Bomb said:


So if the event is paid for by either gold or influence, paper shield can't be used.  It doesn't have to be both.  Is this correct?  

It´s correct. Maybe i messed it up a little bit. 

Reply #74 | Published on 16 August 2011 - 13:29:09
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Paper Shield: Pure and simple - you look at the cost that actually was paid to play the event you want to cancel, not at the options the player had to pay the cost. If you kneel the characters, the event did not have an influence cost. If you kneel the influence, it does.

Red Keep question: In your theoretical question, how did you get the attachment on The Red Keep? 

Seriously, though, note that "cannot be saved" has nothing to do with the location returning to Shadows. The "cannot be saved" effect limits your options for preventing the card from being forced out of play. The "return to Shadows" thing is applied if the location actually does leave play. So the two have nothing to do with each other. Remember that if an effect discards The Red Keep, it is considered to have been successfully discarded (after not being saved), even though it actually ends up back in Shadows.

There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness.'

 - Dave Berry

Reply #75 | Published on 22 August 2011 - 12:56:41

Concerning Cyvasse...

1. Does the "if able" in the text allow me to kneel one of my own eligible characters to pay the card's cost, even if my opponent does not have an eligible character to kneel?

2. Does the card hit Beric Dondarrion? I guess it does, since the card's effect is not discarding.

Something about a card's text box...

3. Apart from any abilities written, what else does it include? Can anyone, with patience and a kind heart, write down which of the following is included in it:

A. Traits

B. Crests

C. Challenge Icons

D. Income icon

E. Initiative icon

F. Influence icon

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