cleardave said:

I don't really understand this. Do you expect that there will be only one type of X-Wing card throughout the game's run? The X-Wing is the backbone of the Alliance fleet. It's a safe bet that there will be several versions of the ship to round out a proper swarm deck - one just may have to wait until a few sets are released. Moreoever, all of FFG's LCGs thus far have had a card limit (3x in each case IIRC, though I could be mistaken), so there is no reason to assume buying multiple copies would help you, especially for a game whose mechanics we don't know yet.

MarthWMaster said:

I'm not sure if you ever played SW:CCG before or not, but the idea of the swarm deck was using Non-Unique cards, and was usually facilitated by an effect that provided some bonus to Power, Deployment, etc and specified that the card type had to be non-unique.  So, in the Echo Base example, the card "X-Wing" is a non-unique card, and SW:CCG would allow you to run as many as you want in your deck.

By contrast, they had cards, like "Red 5", or semi-unique X-Wings like "Red Squadron X-Wing" (which you could deploy 3 of) that qualified as being an X-Wing, but not a non-unique X-Wing.

I have no doubt that FFG's game, assuming it is NOT a SW:CCG remake, will have countless X-Wing type cards, but my example was illustrating how copying the Decipher game to the LCG format, based on packaged card distribution and a 3-per-deck limit would make those classic deck types impossible to play.

My point was merely speculative, to perhaps allow the hopefuls for a SW:CCG remake to be a little more realistic and realize that it isn't likely to occur, given the current LCG distribution and deck building model trend.

My analogy of the swarm deck just highlights one obvious hurdle for making Decipher's game run on the LCG model; you either remove the per-card deck limit of 3 out and allow for the 10+ copy swarm deck to be legal, which breaks the common thread of the LCG's and requires us to spend more money than we would on another LCG, or you keep the deck limit in place and players bemoan the inability to run swarms.

I am more of the "wait and see" camp, and I really just want to get a read of that rulebook so I can see what it's all about.  It will all be revealed in time.  I would definitely say that the smart money is on FFG not remaking the Decipher game.

 As most of you are well aware, I'm against a SW:CCG remake. But to follow the current topic, I think they could facilitate a swarm deck by having "Rogue Squadron X-wing" and "Red Squadron X-wing" and "Blue Squadron X-wing", for example. This would give you 9 non-unique x-wings without requiring a purchase of multiple packs and maintain the limit of 3 of each card per deck. You'd probably have to wait a few cycles, but you could run a swarm deck eventually.

Budgernaut said:

Exactly.  It could totally be done, using your example as a workaround, it just couldn't be done with the literal Decipher cards, as they stand.  It would lead to much re-tooling and then we probably wouldn't be left with that classic Decipher feel.

That's why I'm anti-remake.  If Fox decided to bring back Firefly in a rebooted series that involved the same characters and situations, it could be an objectively good show, but if it didn't involve Whedon, Fillion, et al it would forever be pigeonholed as inferior by the cult fanbase.

I'm going to toss up the flame shields because I just realized I proposed a Firefly remake sans-original cast could be theoretically good.

cleardave said:

FFG would almost assuredly implement their usual 3x max card copy rule for this game, making it significantly different from SWCCG. Decks would require more variety. This may seem lame to people who want to use 10 x-wings, but it also helps mitigate the decks which were designed around abusing destiny draws…which may or may not be a good thing.

 Oh, don't even get me started on Destiny draw exploits.  Tracking Destiny was like a whole other meta skill you needed in that game to pull off some daring things, or have a really great finish to Jedi Test #5.  But I guess that's why they invented The Bith Shuffle.

 For those reasons we discussed, I am confidant this "back to the drawing board" design for SW:LCG will not be some surprise remake of Decipher's model.  Which is a good thing for us.

Budgernaut said:

They could do it by having 3x core sets, and then have individual cards available for a certain purchase price. Then, you could place an order for any number of any card to make a swarm deck. They could charge maybe $0.25 to $0.50 each card. Then, they could say "your order may take several weeks and will be fulfilled when enough cards have been ordered by enough players to do a print run." Then, they wouldn't be wasting space by printing an over-abundance of cards AND people could get as many as they want of specific cards rather than being stuck with 100 Rebel Troopers. Also, they could just buck their usual trend of limiting how many copies of cards could be used (unless an abusive strategy trend emerged).

For me, I tended not to use more than three of something other than Stormtroopers or ships, but usually no more than 5 or 6. So, I would be fine with buying a core set and then ordering 3-5 extra of a couple of things.

herozeromes said:

Considering how there have been people wishing for such an "upgrade pack" to the Lord of the Rings Core Set for some time now, it doesn't seem likely to happen that FFG will provide such a product.  I wish they would though.  A Print on Demand LotR Core Set filler pack would be terrific.

Ultimately, it comes down to FFG taking out the 3 card limit, and patterns suggest this just won't happen with the LCG template.  That said, maybe Netrunner will surprise us all and do something different with the basic format.

 Anyone else coming here less and less, losing hope for any sort of update for this game?

 Yeah. I come here once a day, down from 5 times a day last year and 3 times a day at the beginning of this year.

Kordos said:

I've been coming here more lately because if this game is really releasing around the 2012 holidays then there's got to be some sort of information soon-ish, right?

Mattr0polis said:

That requires the assumption that this game will be releasing at that time, which is no certainty at this point. (And I've played enough CCGs to know that prolonged silence about a game is never a good sign toward its future.)

 Also, X-Wing is supposed to be releasing in "Summer 2012" and all we've got there is a list of the first products…

My current theory (that is to say, desperate hope) is that they're concentrating on pushing X-Wing and, whensoever that actually emerges from the mists, we'll then start to see articles about the LCG. I'm expecting X-Wing by the end of August, so it's not too long now…

And, assuming the date of 2012 holidays is reasonably accurate, we have less time left to wait now than we've waited through since the initial announcement, just…

My god, I'm far too positive today!

 I'm just wondering how long I have to wait for my Luke Skywalker avatar? I've been stuck with this guy for months and I don't even play Anima that much!