I positively FLOORED by the idea of giving up ANY Secondary Aptitude for the Storm Trooper! So you loose Weapon Skill, big deal Storm Troopers are mostly about shooting anyways.

To remind you if any of your Regiment Aptitudes match your Specialization Aptitudes then you can select another one from the Primary Aptitude Section (Weapon Skill, Ballistic Skill, Strength, Toughness, Agility, Intelligence, Willpower, or Fellowship) you cant, however, ever acquire a Secondary Aptitude (Offense, Finesse, Defense, Knowledge, Psyker, or Social) since they are limited only to your Specialization and are rigidly set.

So you can ‘buy back’ Weapon Skill if your Regiment has either Ballistic Skill, Agility, or Toughness as Regiment Aptitudes (in fact there are three Training Doctrines that do just that) and would have 3 Full Aptitude Sets and extremely cheap access to every martial trait available (Weapon Training for example has Finesse for it Secondary Aptitude).

So yeah- spend 3 points in a doctrine to get maybe a choice of aptitude, yeah…no. Plus you need to convince the tohers that it's in thier best regimental intrest to do so.

Storm Trooper Carapace is, no surprise, the Storm Trooper's SIGNATURE WARGEAR in the tabletop.  Them not having it as at least a starting option doesn't just make no sense, it makes a kind of eldritch anti-sense.

Furthermore, Storm Troopers are, on the tabletop, much more shooty than choppy.  This new Aptitude spread is exactly what they should have had all along.  They can still get some close combat skills via the Offense and Agility aptitudes, but they don't emphasize that to the degree they emphasize awesome shooting.

Jukkaimaru said:

Here's news you can use.

-The armour is carapace armour (NOT "storm trooper carapace") so light enforcer carapace is still valid.

-Sure they got 1 BS over every other guardsmen, but they each got a pistol and a close combat weapon, giving your basic Storm trooper 2 attacks in melee, therefore way more choppy than guardsmen.

-This here's a RPG not TABLE TOP.  If you want to have you Storm troopers like the TT, go play TT.

Else with that logic, guardsmen have no variable lasgun setting, nor is there a medic in infantry squads, nor can the Sarge have any type of lasgun or las carabine EVER, also no helmet whatsoever, nor can an operator be with infantry ever (maybe mingle together at the base, but if their vehicle gets destroyed during a battle, they auto-die as well) since Heavy support/fast attacks are not troops choices, Tech-Priest is also on his own, Orgryns and Ratling comes in groups of 3 minimum, Guardsmen also do not start with krak or smoke grenades or anything clsoe to a Standard kit, no!  Their gear is limited to:

-Flak Armour

-Lasgun (Sgt gets laspistol instead, Commissar gets bolt pistol instead)

-Close combat weapon

-Frag grenades

Any other gear is not representative of the table top and therefore, FFG must do its absolute best to remove those affront to the TT from their book ASAP because it makes no sense, it makes a kind of Eldritch anti-sense.

To be fair, it's not that surprising that fans of the setting as described by GW would assume to find it portrayed in a similar manner elsewhere, too. Lots of people still assume 40k actually has something like canon and consistency. Obviously, this also has little to do with any rules in the tabletop, but with how certain units are presented in the material.
If we really want to drop any limitations originating in the TT, we may as well have Orks and Eldar in the squad. This is an RPG, after all! ;)

Jukkaimaru: The good thing about a pen&paper RPG is that you can easily houserule the things you deem unfitting for your group's interpretation of the setting. Regardless of how this product eventually ends up in the shelves, this is an option I'd advise you to keep in mind.

Yes, god forbid that an RPG based off a tabletop wargame offer loadouts that reasonably match what units carry in that wargame.  *rolls eyes*  Enforcer carapace is stuff Arbites enforcer teams use.  I'd think that Storm Troopers would have access to something a step up from SWAT gear, even well made SWAT gear.

Variable setting lasguns and extra grenades are more of a fluff thing than a mechanics thing--they're attested in a lot of books and descriptions.  This same fluff tends to describe Storm Troopers as being effective in melee--and hell, you have Agility, Offense, and Finesse as aptitudes, meaning you will get the now much more reasonable single ap discount on a LOT of melee talents!--but SUPERLATIVE at range.

Incidentally, am I the only one having trouble getting posts to go through from the Quote option?  It's rather annoying.

Lynata:  Yeah, I know.  I plan on doing just that for my games should it not actually get changed.  Probably as an optional alternate to the good craftsmanship Light Carapace (and I'm also gonna reduce the weight on Light Carapace so there's a reason somebody might wish to take it instead of the heavier armor).

Kiton said:

I'm totally ok with krak weaponry not being able to damage a Baneblade with anything except a very lucky shot. Krak weaponry has always been anti-light armour, and should rightly have difficulty dealing with anything as tough as a Lemen Russ, let alone a Baneblade. That's what the melta line of weaponry is for.

 Why not rename "light carapace armor" with "Storm Trooper Armor", reduce the weight by 5kg, rename the previous "Storm Trooper Armor" to "Heavy Carapace Armor" and add 5kg to th armor.

Or even give them Common Quality Storm Trooper Armour.

Does it have to be Good Quality

Why no love for Operator? 6+ wounds? Must every one who can drive be so weak? Even Psyker has 8+ wounds.

 For some bizarre and alien reason, some people got into their heads that Storm Trooper Carapace should be the carapace worn by Storm Troopers. Madness!

Also, Storm Troopers are quick in - quick out commando units, not frontliners, so it's more fitting they have Offense rather than Defense. Offense still makes them more competent in melee than most guardsmen, but Finesse enhances their role as highly trained troopers rather than stand-ins for the Ogryn.

And yes, Light Carapace should be lighter than regular carapace for obvious reasons, but 5kg lighter makes it weigh less than Guard's Flak. I'd say leave it at 13kg.

Braddoc said:

You're kidding, right? With the advancement system the way it is, there is absolutely nothing as valuable as extra aptitudes. Any skill or talent you might get with another doctrine is chump change compared to the lifetime savings of an aptitude. Any equipment is just a requisition check you don't have to roll. Big deal.

Any choice other than an aptitude during regiment creation is choosing RP over power gaming. If that's a hard sell to your group … then bless them all.

Andor said:

Comparing  a single attribute cost reduction compared to high end gear, bonus to logictics roll, more mags/grenades/rations, hated talents…my players generally prefer to be able to face adversity than to be able to get a better stats; having WP cheaper is worth nothing if you can't face off an enemy because you're under-equipped or lack a piece of gear.  We know the system, we've been playing it for a while, I try to see it as a new player would see it; make a Weapon Specialist, or a Storm trooper which is a Weapon Specialist with better gear but crappier fellowship. Asking it is answering it.

Braddoc said:

An extra aptitude is not a reduction for a single attribute. It's a reduction to that attribute, and every single skill and talent related to it. Getting Iron Will, for example, cheapens WP, which is crucial unless you wanna crap your pants any time a daemon looks your way, Interrogation and 9 different talents, including the extremely valuable Jaded or Fearless, and if you already have Willpower you can choose another aptitude and get other all-around discounts. Intelligence, for example, cheapens an impressive 12 different skills. That's quite likely thousands of XP saved along the road.

Choosing any other doctrine is essentially choosing short-term benefit over long-term power.

I don't have my books, but I checked it yesterday, sure parry cost more than its supposed to now and we gain no new skills with finesse, but we also have to pay more for 'simple' talents now, like swift attack, ambidextrous, sure strike, gain some shooty talents, just to better push the weap. spec on the side line (since at same talents, the more powerful gun will win, and the ST's got Pen7 on his gun at base, not to mention carapace armour), making a support specialist that's clouding the regular specialist.

People wanted Ratling, they got Ratlings, they want a human sniper.  They wanted storm troopers, they got it, now they want a better, elite version of the guardsmen; and if you can't stomach the changed, just fiddle around with Reg. gen, get everyone to take die Hard so I can have double Toughness, and take WS.  If I don't take an aptitude at Reg gen, then I'm a silly-billy 'role player' who can't play for shit it seems.