Why would you not kill the character to get rid of Flogged? You know he's going to be knelt half the tiem anyway - I don't get that.

Castellan is defiintely the stronger card, but I am pretty confidnet he cna be worked around these days. ally hate, better burn, a littel more influence for Baratheon stand....I'm not so worried about him anymore.

I can pretty much guarantee Flogged will not be treated as a probelm card for this tournament. It really hasn't had a big effect in this meta yet.

Stag,  just wanted to ask what your ruling would be on a certain scenario:  if my opponent takes control of my card which came out of shadows and it gets sent back to shadows, does it go to my opponent's shadow area or my own?

nevermind found the answer in the rules discussion forum.  cards in shadows are considered to have left play and thus revert back to the owner's shadows area.

Its a good clarification though - and important to get it out here in general where most people browse. Wulfen actually cleared this up for me the toher day - I was wondering how a Syrio who had been taken by Men with No King would be handled.

Stag Lord said:

I really don't get it. Why do people think that would have been any different than, say, someone taking control of your Viserys Targaryen and using his ability to return him to hand?

I guess because you don't really think of Shadows being out of play. Its cards on the table after all - and they aren't "dead" and they aren't "discarded" so psychologically, it just feels like they are more "in play" tahn they are.

Of course they aren't =- and of course you're analogy makes snese, but its still a bit of an adjustment,.

Stag Lord said:

I guess I see that. Because they are physically on the table and more actionable than the discard or dead piles, there is a psychological pressure to think of them differently than you think of cards in other "out of play" areas.

I suppose my approach to it had always been different. Since I know that "in Shadows" is not "in play" but there are rules for getting them into play (instead of needing a card effect like the discard or dead piles would), I've always thought of the Shadows area as more of an "auxiliary hand" than some sort of "not-quite-play" state. When you think of cards in the Shadows area the way you think of cards in your hand, they don't feel like they are "in play" that much and the psychology of it is very different.

Thanks for the insight. It helps my brain and blood pressure a lot.

People who were at Black Friday last year will recall that we handed out t-shirts to all participants.  We'd like to do that again, if there is interest, however, to do a small silk screen run is not cheap. I've started talking with the shop I used last year and it looks like the cost would run about $12-$15 a shirt (depending on some variables).  Are people interested in a t-shirt if it means that the entry fee will be that much higher? The design would be basically the logo you see at the top of this thread (~unless Lars has changes for me to make ).  I think it has to be all or none rather than some people paying more and getting a t-shirt while others don't (I'll probably have to eat some cost as it is as I expect to have to order extra t-shirts to hit their minimum run requirement).

LetsGoRed said:

heh, none this time around :)

pencil us in for 3 shirts 2 XL one L....i not 100% on the other 2 but i'm guessing they would be okay with it.

Lars said:

Lars was right in speaking for me. I definitely want the shirt and will pay more for it.

There is a reason why I now generally stack my shadows cards in a face down pile near my dead and discard piles.

Sorry, talking t-shirts again. If folks could email me at the nightswatchnyc address below with their name and t-shirt sizes and the names and sizes of anyone you're passing info along for that would help me keep things organized and hopefully avoid double counting.  I don't know if the DC/VA guys have decided if they'll make it to the tournament, but if you could email me with your best guess, whether you want to see t-shirts handed out, and what your t-shirt size is (even if you vote against them since you might get stuck with one anyways ) that would be helpful as I try to figure whether or not to prepare the logo for silk screening and place an order. Twn2dn and finitesquarewell, I know some of your group doesn't post here, so if you can get them to email me or include their responses in your emails, that would be appreicated. Bloodycelt, if you could do the same for you and anyone thinking of coming with you, that would be great. Thanks, all.

~How much will it cost me to get "CHAMPION" printed preemptively on the back? :-P

Jason: I sent you an email with the head count for the DC Meta and t-shirt sizes.

Dan: I know you're probably not going, so I didn't include you in that email; if you want us to bring you back a Black Friday t-shirt as I did last year, email Jason with your size and CC me on it.

finitesquarewell said:

~Do you think you can come and push around the NY meta for a third straight time on our own turf? Them's fightin' words! (Oh brother, I hope you realize the level of smack you are going to hear if you don't win it this time around.)

Thanks for sending the info. With DC/VA behind the t-shirts, I'm going to go ahead and work on prep'ing the logo and ordering them. So anyone who thinks they are coming and wants to make sure there's a t-shirt their size on hand, please email me, thanks.

Jason

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