Force & Destiny is about more than Jedi. It is about characters that influence things on a grander scale. Jedi, yes, but also the Jango and Boba Fetts, Thrawns, Han Solos, and Princess Leias. These are characters are going to lead armies, or confront baddies like Darth Vader or Darth Bane or even Palpitine. While we will recieve most of the info on Jedi in it, we will also be getting other info as well. So yes I think they are developing the game so that Jedi will be on the same level as other characters of similar experience. Which I think is something most people would prefer. Not many people enjoy a Buffy and the Scoobies game.

mouthymerc said:

Where did you hear that?

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I think we have found our new AluminumWolf.

LethalDose said:

Awww I miss the little rascal.

ErikB said:

Read somewhere that the book would be about figures of legend. Don't remember now. I don't tag every little piece of information I read on the off chance i may have to trot it out again. Shrug, oh well, you got me. I guess. I get the impression that the book will be weighted with Jedi stuff and Force stuff, with other aspects touched on, much in the way the current book EotE is weighted in non Force stuff and careers and the Force basics.

LethalDose said:

Well, at least this guy answers parts of questions, he doesn't ignore it ALL, just most of what is written. It's still entertaining to read some of his posts, even if they are on the short side of things, and less informing or substantial …

mouthymerc said:

I'd think the old beta-site, which has now been replaced with EotE-not-beta info. They had more info on this earlier I think, at least I seem to remember that.

Either way, it stands to reason that the F&D is going to cover more than just Jedi. There are other traditions, and Destiny, while tied to the Force, does not necessarily involve force sensitive yahoos and hippies. Certainly they're going to be the bulk of the product, but there's hopefully going to be more than (say 400 pages or so? if using EotE as a basis for page count) of Jedi-only info… My hope is for info on non-jedi force traditions too, I prefer them to the PT (particularly Ep.2 Geonosis battle) energized glowstick wielding land mowers.

Dance Commander said:

Now, if you are talking about game developers, or FFG staff not criticising the decison: well of course. You don't publically criticise your employer… durr…

As far as it just being a marketing decision: What? They announced the rights… what a year ago now? Developing a system takes some time, and thought it is not entirely from scratch (it uses the same system as WFRP as a basis) it is quite a redevelopment. Working this out enough even to be suitable for the Beta release probably took all the time they have had. The idea that as well as this they have a fully developed, balanced Jedi worked out and are just witholding it for no reason seems rather rediculous. Have they got the basic force power system worked out. Yes (we see it in play with the limited force abilities in Edge of Empire). Have they worked out how to balance more powerful abilities, and how to work them into their system? Almost certainly not at this point.

Dance Commander said:

Actually I wouldn't. I would buy EotE first if I couldn't afford them both. In every Star Wars game I've run (WEG, d20, SAGA, even Traveller before WEG came out) I started with no Jedi. Only later were my players allowed to feel the Force. Once the Force was unleashed (I know lots of puns) you couldn't go back. Most of the players did not wish to be non-Force users. The campaign was suddenly different. So, the campaign went on as long as it could until it began to get boring, then I would inject the Force to make it interesting and different again.

borithan said:

Conspiratorial I'd say, but ridiculous is a good a term as any.

ErikB said:

I find it 'interesting' that you decide to selectively quote my post, and then claim that you *can't* play a Jedi in EotE, while completely ignoring a sentence not all that much further in that said:

"And, as I've said before, using the Force rules present in the Beta gives you the opportunity to play a character who can do most everything that Luke can do up through the end of Return of the Jedi.  So, by that metric, you *can* play a Jedi using the rules we've already seen."

Of course, I also find it 'interesting' that you think everyone will have died of old age in 2 years (and change).  That said, if you're actually in coming up on your 90s, and are physically infirm to the point that you don't think you'll be *alive* in a couple years, I think I finally understand your impatience.

Seriously, lookup the words 'hyperbole' and 'melodrama', and then try to use a bit less of both.

I wonder how long till this thread gets locked.

-WJL

LethalDose said:

Droma said:

Let's talk about something much less inflammatory. How about Jar Jar? :)