Im not asking for a discussion. Im asking for the things you are exited about and what you fear about wave 2. Simple as that.

Hey!

I am really exited for the release of wave 2 but for weeks my only thought about it is how the players will react to wave 2 ships. Don you guys get tired of playing against the same type of ships and upgrades because "its the best combination?" From what ive gather there are a lot of people pondering about using vader with the engine upgrade to have 1 boost action and then daredevil for the second action making him one of the most difficult ships to evade/attack.  So im guessing engine upgrade will be the new r2-d2/bigs combo…

My point is, people will start using new ships and new upgrade because they think are better and over use them…and it will get a little annoying. Its like the time people found out Y wings can be really usefull against tie fighters…but then again… 100 point game with 2 Y wings gets really borring and annoying if the player gets good rolls…just drifting arround every other round. (I have yet to experience this but ive seen it on videos and it kind of sucks…)

Im not hating against them, I really want to try interceptors. But unlike other people I really play with both factions althou I preffer X wings. Its just like dust tactics where the new units make the older ones obsolete in terms of efficiency and point cost.

I have to be gratefull that I play with my GF and she makes teams based on what she thinks is a good combination for the purpose and not on what she reads online…

I can only imagine seeing tie interceptor swarms and falcons everywhere for the first 2 months.

Now that I told you how I feel…tell me.

What are you most exited and what are your fears of wave 2 hitting the store in 2-4 weeks?

LedZep said:

I think in all likelihood, you are going to see a ton of Falcons and Interceptors the next couple of months. They're the most accessible ships in Wave 2. Now, whether or not they'll stick around is another question entirely. 

I think the thing that makes X-Wing inherently more playable over an extended period of time than most other miniatures games is that it does actually take some skill. If I can move and maneuver better than you can, I'm going to win unless I've got a purposely terrible list. So much of the focus in this game lies with the player and their ability to maneuver and manage their Pilot Rank- much more so than picking the right list. The more I play it, the more I stand by that remark. 

I've said it on other threads around here, but folks have to get their head out of 40k and into X-Wing. The list still matters to be sure, but it doesn't matter nearly as much. You're not going to be 80% more likely to win regardless of what I've brought simply because you have a Falcon on the table. There isn't a Draigowing in X-Wing, or the equivalent of a Necron flyer list. If you end up overlapping with that Falcon every turn because you can't fly it, you're going to die. It's that simple. And you can have Interceptors with Stealth devices all you want, but it's still possible for an Rookie X-Wing to one-shot that dude. That's something I think a lot of people are forgetting or simply not realizing- there isn't going to be an Interceptor Swarm list. At least not with any decent Pilot Talents or high PR anyway like the current TIE Swarm affords. They're more expensive than TIEs, and still don't have shields, so you can't just be throwing them around willy-nilly and expect them to win.

 As for what I'm excited about- new models obviously, and the potential for some really interesting builds. I'm looking forward to there not being a permanent dominant meta, and I'm looking forward to finding ways to defeat whatever the temporarily dominant meta might be. 

I agree with Hothie 100%.  I lost to him at worlds in the semi final match.  Our lists were similar but different.  During the Kessel run I faced Hothie's list three times and each time I destroyed it because the guy I was playing had no clue what to do with it.  In my area I try to play at different stores to see what other people are playing.  I've found that no store fields the same lists as other stores.  What I think will happen in Wave 2 is you will see lists diversify because of options.  I'm lucky in that I have at least one of every Wave two ship from Kessel runs.  It has allowed me to try out COUNTLESS different options.  I have not played the same list in weeks and I play almost every day.  I am a huge fan of running two A-wings.  I'm a bigger fan of running Han with Marksmanship.  I have not run Vader since Worlds I may play him again soon but I do not see Vader pimped out to the 9s as a must have in every list.  For every list I've played I've found a counter even for my nasty X-wing list.  My counter for Vader is a Falcon with gunner and Marksmanship.  All the maneuvers in the World won't get you out of that 360-degree shooting crits with almost every roll.  The great thing about this game is it is about player skill not a list you build.

@BB,

Cid_MCDP said:

Thats exacly what I feel. People picking up best teams and not knowing how to use them makes the game really boring. 

LedZep said:

Au contraire, mon frere! That's what makes it a blast! 

Basement Dweller 1 turns up with super-hot, unbeatable, statistics-justified, point-optimized net list full of only REALLY smart choices that are so much smarter than anything YOU bring to the table, and oh, this guy does this, and oh this guy does that, this buff this, and oh they're gonna have to nerf that because it's too good, and blah, blah, blah. 

You turn up with a list that works with your playstyle. A list that isn't the sexiest, hyped-up list on the face of the planet, but one that you've used several times before and is the result of looking at the strengths and weaknesses of your previous lists and addressing them. 

You guys throw down, and while in theory BD1's list is super powerful, he doesn't know how to properly utilize Pilot Ranking and flubs his first attempt at Big Combo Attempt 1. As such, he has a less than significant first turn. You close in and do your thing. He makes some sacrifices to pull off Big Combo Attempt 2, and it works, but those sacrifices were comprimising to his overall big picture. You exploit those comprimises and he go to the box, you know? Two minute by himself, you know, and he feel shame. And then he get free. 

Play a lot. Get better at the fundamentals that apply to everything (maneuvering and effective use of Pilot Rank) and you'll have a great shot at downing whatever the netlist du jour is with whatever you decide to put on the table. I've said it a bunch on here, and it's not because I have Alzheimer's or something- it's because I still belive in the statement: there's no unbeatable X-Wing list. Not yet, anyway. There's no Draigowing or Necron Flyer Spam list equivalent. Are there lists that are easier or more accesible to use than others? Yes, definitely. But there's no list out there that should keep you from having at least a 50-50 shot at beating the other guy once you've put all the toys on the table. 

To further reinforce what Parakitor said about Biggs (which I completely agree with by the way), bear in mind forums aren't always necessarily filled with people who play the game- they're filled with people who enjoy talking about the game. Sometimes those two groups overlap and are the same people, but they aren't always. It kinda reminds me of all the posts you see on Warseer with people lamenting having time to paint then you see their post count is somewhere in the 2,000 to 3,000 range. 

Want to get better at painting? Stop talking about it and do it. Shut down the browser and paint. 

Want to get better at X-Wing? Similar response. :)

(Note that I have the excuse of being at work when I post, so the above doesn't apply to me. Uhhhh, yeah. :) )

Au contraire, mon frere! That's what makes it a blast! 

Basement Dweller 1 turns up with super-hot, unbeatable, statistics-justified, point-optimized net list full of only REALLY smart choices that are so much smarter than anything YOU bring to the table, and oh, this guy does this, and oh this guy does that, this buff this, and oh they're gonna have to nerf that because it's too good, and blah, blah, blah. 

You turn up with a list that works with your playstyle. A list that isn't the sexiest, hyped-up list on the face of the planet, but one that you've used several times before and is the result of looking at the strengths and weaknesses of your previous lists and addressing them. 

You guys throw down, and while in theory BD1's list is super powerful, he doesn't know how to properly utilize Pilot Ranking and flubs his first attempt at Big Combo Attempt 1. As such, he has a less than significant first turn. You close in and do your thing. He makes some sacrifices to pull off Big Combo Attempt 2, and it works, but those sacrifices were comprimising to his overall big picture. You exploit those comprimises and he go to the box, you know? Two minute by himself, you know, and he feel shame. And then he get free. 

Play a lot. Get better at the fundamentals that apply to everything (maneuvering and effective use of Pilot Rank) and you'll have a great shot at downing whatever the netlist du jour is with whatever you decide to put on the table. I've said it a bunch on here, and it's not because I have Alzheimer's or something- it's because I still belive in the statement: there's no unbeatable X-Wing list. Not yet, anyway. There's no Draigowing or Necron Flyer Spam list equivalent. Are there lists that are easier or more accesible to use than others? Yes, definitely. But there's no list out there that should keep you from having at least a 50-50 shot at beating the other guy once you've put all the toys on the table. 

To further reinforce what Parakitor said about Biggs (which I completely agree with by the way), bear in mind forums aren't always necessarily filled with people who play the game- they're filled with people who enjoy talking about the game. Sometimes those two groups overlap and are the same people, but they aren't always. It kinda reminds me of all the posts you see on Warseer with people lamenting having time to paint then you see their post count is somewhere in the 2,000 to 3,000 range. 

Want to get better at painting? Stop talking about it and do it. Shut down the browser and paint. 

Want to get better at X-Wing? Similar response. :)

(Note that I have the excuse of being at work when I post, so the above doesn't apply to me. Uhhhh, yeah. :) )

Cid_MCDP said:

That is all and dandy until basement dweller 1 turns up and actually has played his list and is 80-90% as proficient as you and his list is "more" powerful vs your particular list.

Yes I agree with you that movement and understanding the game certainly is a skill, one that has to be practicedm modified for your style to a degree.

Completely disagree that those skills alone will make up for a poor list vs what ever you are facing, unless the skill difference is pretty great (like in your example).

Check out the picasso artwork thread… Looks like some expirenced players are trying to find a way to defeat a Wave 3 Rebel list and are having some trouble.

I do think overall FFG did a good job balancing the game, where the flexibility you describe can work, but if all other things are equal… the lists do matter.  Since skill/luck are never equal, the factor is how much is the difference is and is it big enough to off-set any list weakness you may or may not have.