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i did not know that. How odd - i always presumed that the command squad ability was simply that that particular squad can lead that particular platoon.
well spotted chaps
Not adding to the fray, just saying thanks to all for this thread. I, too, missed the bit on command squads and their special rule. Thanks awefully!
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This has been a useful read. Thanks all.
Just to throw in the mix, there is some additional info.
Page 88/114:
"Special Orders: The officers of each platoon have acces to a special Order based on the platoon the are leading. The Command Section of each platoon may issue these Orders in addition to any other orders types avaiable to the unit.
Unless specificaly noted, a Hero serving as the Unit's Command section may issue this special order. Heroes leading a unique platoon through their leadership ability, such as Markus, do not have acces to these special orders."
For the Axis these special orders are: Blitzkrieg / Take charge / Wiederbelebungsserum failsafe,
For the Allies these special orders are: Fire for effect / An army of one / Smoke screen.
With all the info combined the number of orders that can be given are dependend on the Command Squad / Hero / Platoon used.
For the Axis this means:
* Kommandotrupp / Heavy Kommandotrupp / Sturmpioniere leading a Platoon:
- Free special order (page 118)
- 1 additional order for being a Command Squad" (page 54)
- may issue a number of orders equal to the number of HITS rolled in the Initiave phase (with a minimum of one) (page 30)
* Sigrid von Thaler / Lara / Stefan or Manfred leading a Platoon:
- Free special order: "Blitzkrieg" (page 118)
- may issue a number of orders equal to the number of HITS rolled in the Initiave phase (with a minimum of one) (page 30)
* Markus / Totenmeister leading a Platoon:
- may issue a number of orders equal to the number of HITS rolled in the Initiave phase (with a minimum of one) (page 30)
At least this is how I read this.
Without Signature
Morning Smeer.
The special orders granted by special command squads are not free, they still cost an order. Im not sure if you are implying their acsess to this particular order is free, or performing said order is free.
Hi Caecitas,
I read "The Command Section of each platoon may issue these Orders in addition or any other order types available to the unit" as this was a additional free action.
But after rereading i guess it means, it is an additional option.
Without Signature
Just wanted to point out a few mistakes with what you wrote about the command things. Each command and/or Hero unit has access to one of three special orders, and thats depending on the type of platoon they command ie. for Lara and the Heavy Kommandotrupp have access to the Take Charge order. each hero says which type of platoon it can control so each will have different page number.
Without Signature
Its worth noting too that some of the special order can be issued more than once, some can not.
CrayolaSmoker said:
Good to know. Makes me want to reevaluate my high-point lists where platoons are led by Heroes. I initially did it 'cause it seemed fitting to the fluff and because it shaved points (15 point Hero vs. 25 point Command Squad), but the ability to count on 3 orders minimum at 200-300 points is awfully tempting.
The way I read it, you only get one extra order no matter how many command squads you have.
You're right. Thanks for making me re-read that!
Huh! Just found another one…
"For every 150 AP, or fraction thereof, a force may contain one platoon."
I've seen a number of 300 AP lists with 3 platoons. Apparently you need to play a 301+ AP game to get 3.
"I have met with death... she is afraid!"
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the smeer said:
Hi Caecitas,
I read "The Command Section of each platoon may issue these Orders in addition or any other order types available to the unit" as this was a additional free action.
But after rereading i guess it means, it is an additional option.
Yes, additional option, not an additional freebie!!!
"Don't get me wrong, there are certainly some questions, but at the end of the day… there are guys who will argue vehemently that the book never tells them to read the top of the die when its rolled." - Quote from a Game Designer
Shadow4ce said:
Huh! Just found another one…
"For every 150 AP, or fraction thereof, a force may contain one platoon."
I've seen a number of 300 AP lists with 3 platoons. Apparently you need to play a 301+ AP game to get 3.
Yup! So the Championships at GenCon will be 2 or less platoons. It is a 300 point tournament.
"Don't get me wrong, there are certainly some questions, but at the end of the day… there are guys who will argue vehemently that the book never tells them to read the top of the die when its rolled." - Quote from a Game Designer
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