Have we just solved the age old dilemma of "how to make the Moritat competitive with other characters late game"? I think we have. Or at least made a really decent solution to the problem.  Praise the Emperor!!!!

Seems that way, I wonder if the fleshrender and if they get tearing on powerswords stack and if so, then that MAY be pretty powerful

Clutch_Halthos said:

Don't think so. I've seen all the solutions proposed here before, and probably even more than those. People won't stop bitching about it though.

What were other solutions posted?

And all you can really hope for is a nice buff which keeps their flavor and keeps them relevant at higher levels.

Cymbel said:

Mostly a comprehensive list of nice gear that they can take full advantage of.

Can you list them?

I think it's somethign like a sanctified, lathe bladed, tox dispensing blade right? 

I think it is more for the varieties they can use, which boils down to Sword, Axe, Stiletto (Devil's Kiss), Grox Whip (I will admit I did not know about that one till fairly recently), Garrotte, Long Sabre (best for counter attack/reaping), Great Swords and then multiple minor weapons that are not AS price to value but offer interesting things.

Upgrades include mono (a must before Lathe), BQ (extra damage/to hit, on most weapons the cost is manageable and later on you should have enough cash), Tox-Dispenser (extra damage), Sanctified (a must for daemons/unholy stuff) and possibly shocking (just in case?)

Lathe deserves it's own mention as it is basically the very high level Moritat's bread and butter, being practically unbreakable (even against powerswords) and then to BQ and Mono, it takes those and does +1/+1 bonus on each, giving +2 damage and a total of +3 pen. And on the more expensive weapons, it can end up being very price comparable.

Composite Bow from IH - Accurate + Tearing = crapton of damage dice. It's Primitive, but possibly you can commission mono-arrows to alleviate that.

Eldar Shuriken weapons are about bolter level in the hands of Moritat.

Widower from IH is a needle pistol that sacrifices poison but shoots highly damaging (compared to normal needlers) solid darts. It's Accurate, and can be converted to a Basic weapon with a detachable stock, so you can snipe with it.

Harlequin's Kiss from RT corebook already has Tearing, but is an extremely powerful weapon that a Moritat should have no qualms using.

Also in RT core, we have a Fractal Blade, a weapon with a Power Field special rule that nevertheless deals Rending damage. It has worse damage than a power sword, but much higher Pen.

You can't go wrong with a Sanctified Lathe-forged Bolo Knife with Tox Dispenser.

Since we've already reached out for rules from other games, in BC and OW the Toxic weapon trait has a numerical value attached to it that forces a penalty on the Toughness roll to resist extra damage. I'd suggest adopting that rule and letting the character invest in a stronger poison for any weapon which uses that rule. BTW in Only War standard needlers have Toxic (4), that's a -40 penalty to Toughness!

Derp, forgot about composite bows, which basically are the Moritat's answer to a sniper rifle. Isn't Shuriken HERETICAL XENOTECH (and a lot of GMs I know already give it tearing for free). A lot of people are on the fence with the widower (and hypo-pistol as well as the needler) arguing that they are too "advanced" and "like a gun" for Moritat to use, I don't think they are personally. Also, the two "holy crossbows" are allowed by some. Fractal Blades fall in a grey area, BUT out of all the "power swords" no one can deny they would not get tearing. When it comes to the Bolo Knife, I find it is a good cheap weapon for early on PCs who can afford it, but it is outshone at later costs by the sword, which is similar in damage, but also has balanced. (In a non Moritat, Bolo > Sword, but with tearing I think it changes the dynamic somewhat). And I will have to ask a friend who got the beta copy about the new needler stats, that would certainly give it a buff.

Edit: On second thought, having a list of Moritat Approved Weapons (ALL OF THEM) and then the top choices bolded or starred would be helpful. As well as a breakdown on cost. I will start here.

http://piratepad.net/CljDWRdzDh

Eldar weapons are generally forbidden in the Imperium, though whether that stops a Moritat in the service of the Inquisition isn't so clear. Still, while the Moritat may have qualms about using Xeno stuff, it does technically fit the bill of a Moritat-compatible weapon.

 I would say a Moritat would not be allowed to use Eldar shuriken weapons for two reasons; first of all, it's a gun, not a sword or a bow (comparable to a shotgun that fires flechettes) and second of all, it's an alien weapon, and death cultists are far too fanatical to sully their hands by using an alien weapon. Fractal swords are sold by a human Rogue Trader, so they would probably be allowed, although the cost is likely astronomically high. I'd say they wouldn't be allowed to use needle weapons either, because they're guns.

Now, what about poisoning a target? If a Moritat is allowed to use poisoned blades, are they allowed to kill a mark by slipping something into his drink? It's not a weapon per say and it's certainly not in combat, so under the RaW, they wouldn't suffer a willpower check.

 I'd tend to agree with you on the poison, Boss. Of course you can go with the "standard" poisons like ones that do damage or knock the target out. But I think some creative players and GMs can come up with some interesting toxins that fall in line with the moritats fondness of bloodletting. I'm just giggling with delight at the thought of a noble taking a sip of fine Amasec and then profusely bleeding from their nose mouth eyes ears and other places, as one of the servers quietly slips out the back entrance. 

Boss Gitsmasha said:

I'd let the player decide on this one.  Even within the Moritat (Moritariat?) cult I'd imagine there are some different philosophies on the issue of bloodletting.  If the player wants to play an absolute purist who believes every death should be inflicted by their blade, well great!  If they believe only the worthy targets should be cut down by their blades, also cool!  This seems like a grey area of philosophy and personality, so I say let the player decide. 

So on the "type with me" like posting thing I got all the DH, RT and going to add Black Crusade soon, next step is probably weapon upgrades that Moritat can use with their weapons