Does anybody have a working, play-tested, house rule for an ability which allows engineers to repair damaged vehicles? Have they added this ability in any expansions? (I only have the base set)

waging_war said:

No, and I do not think there should be one. In rounds representing only a couple of minutes, even Scotty could not repair a damaged Sherman.

KlausFritsch said:

Ya, I thought about it after and decided it was a bad idea. Tanks would be invincible if they could just pull back, get repaired and take another run at somebody.

Engineers can dig foxholes as an action, så why could mechanics not fix a track or similar to make a vehicle combatative again?

Hefsgaard said:

Because creating a protected firing position can be as easy as setting off an explosive charge and fixing something as "simple" as a broken track takes a heck of a lot longer.

 It have to be difficult and annonying or tanks and engineers would rock too much maybe where they have to stay in the same hex and you could, as an action, order the engineer to fix it succeeding on roll of "5 or 6" or maybe even just a "6".

and yet tank repair is already in the game.....

Hefsgaard said:

I know, I know... no idea what that card is meant to represent thematically.... healing potions for tanks?

Maybe it is for those instances when nothing serious is wrong with the vehicle, but only minor obstructions or faults have to be cleared for the tank to operate (better) again. No idea.

More designer's notes would have been very nice...

the card probably is supposed to represent boogy wheels out of line or jammed turret fixed

BJaffe01

I don't know why some people keep on insisting that TOI battles represent only relatively minor engagements that last up to an hour or so at best. Just by looking at the titles of the scenarios, it becomes obvious that many of these represent much larger and longer battles. Sure, they may have said something to this effect in the original rule book, but in practice they obviously don't stick to it too much. I don't have any problem with this whatsoever as TOI isn't and does not claim to be a true to life WW2 simulation as e.g. ASL is. So in some scenarios one tank may be just that, in others it may be a platoon and in some it may represent dozens of tanks. the same goes for the time span and scale of the map: sometimes one turn might represent a few minutes, in others a day and in yet others perhaps several days, in some cases the map might span up to a few hundred metres, in others a kilometre, and in some cases perhaps five or even more.

Need more "proof"?How about the weather rules?: Does the weather really change 5 times within a game if that game only represents several minutes? The heat exhaustion, supply shortages etc. Do these really occur within a matter of minutes?

See my point? 

Kingtiger said:

You have obviusly not been to Norway, becaus YES, here the weather CAN change 5 times in an hour :) But, thats maybe besides the point.

From a practical point of view though, if repearing tanks was to easy an tank+engineer would rock the battlefield to the point it could feel stupid. So for me its all about the power of an repear action. If it is moderatly usefull, but not overpowering, I dont see any reason why not making a operation card for it.  For example exhausting both the engineer AND the tank for one (or maybe two) rounds, only allowing repear of lightly damaged vehicles, include a die roll (only if 4+ for example) are some example of how not overpowering the action.

Besides, these things is all about the scenario designer anyway. If the scenario designer wants to tell a story which repearing tanks is important, he/she should be allowed to do so.

By the way the card (is it in the supplies deck?)  is a once per game ability, which is fair enough. 

... and I miss wether deck for the russian front...

If an AFV breaks down in the middle of a combat action the crew is likely to bail out or stay put. They are not likely to dismount and try to complete repairs. bad for the health. Even getting a thrown track back on the wheels is a tricky proposition and requires someone outside the vehicle observing as the driver tries to ease the track back on the wheel. Not a good thing to be doing while people are shooting at you.

Kingtiger said:

Because the relative movement values and most of all the weapon ranges do not work at other scales. That is also what most annoys me about Memoir 44. Just to sell the game to more people, the scale is "floating". Have you ever seen infantry companies/battalions/brigades/divisions shoot at targets several miles away? Or infantry march in one day 66% of the distance a tank unit can cover in a day? At larger scales, all motorized forces need raod bonuses, too.

The numerical values in ToI only work at the tactical level.

This "broadening" of the scope coupled with changing game designers and really sloppy use of terminology is also what caused all the consistency problems with ToI that keep the game from being what it could be.

They just need to modify a few rules, and TOI will be a little better IMO.

1. Give infantry squads movement of 2pts, with one extra hex move if on road. All non clear terrain costs infantry 2 pts. All clear terrain 1pt. On road, infantry can move up to 3 hexes. This corrects the illogical notion that infantry on foot can move as many hexes as a truck going cross country. A truck can move at least 15mph across most off road terrain, so it would move at least twice as far a squad on foot would in the same amount of time.

2. Make transportation of infantry/AT guns simple. Any halftrack, truck or tank can act as a carrier to transport an infantry squad, with exception that mortar and MG squads cannot ride on tanks. To Transport, a carrier is activated with an advance action, starts in or moves into  a hex with a squad. The squad can then load without spending any pts, and then rather than remove squad base, just then move carrier and squad to the destination hex. Upon ending move in that hex, both squad and carrier are fatigued.. To denote this, place 2 fatigue markers stacked one on top of the other, which shows both units are fatigued but signifies only one action has been used.

3. Allow halftrack and tanks to also transport using the fire and move action, if beginning turn in same hex with squad. The tank or halftrack is activated and then you move both squad and halftrack together up to half (rounded up) the carriers movement allowance. Upon completion of the move, both squad and halftrack may combine fire at half strength a target in range of both. Same for tanks. Tank and squad fire at half strength at same target in range of both.

3b. A Halftrack or Tank/TD which uses fire and move, may only move up to half (rounded up) of its movement allowance. For consideration of difference between turreted tanks vs. SPGs: SPGs can only move 1/4th their movement if using fire and move.

4. For AT guns: AT guns which are considered part of a squad  may be tranported by halftrack or truck along with that squad in the same way, and at the completion of move of carrier, squad, AT gun and carrier are fatigued (stack 3 fatigue markers). The move only requires the one action of advance. A squad with AT gun cannot be tranported with fire and move action however., or by tank or TD or SPG.

5. Squads & AT guns are always considered unloaded when beginning the turn in same hex with a carrier. Only during the movement action is the squad considered loaded, thus may only be fired upon in loaded condition by an enemy unit in OP fire which executes that Op fire on the carrier and squad as they move at least one hex in LOS of the Op fire unit.

6. To resolve Op fire on transported squad and AT guns: The carrier is the target, which is attacked, and if destroyed, roll a 6 sided die to determine if squad, and or AT gun survived according to what type of carrier: If damaged, the carrier may still continue to move, only one mp is lost.

A.If carrier is halftrack, and is destroyed, a die roll of 1,2 ,3 destroys AT gun, and that number of casualites are removed from squad. 4,5,6= no effect, and squad /AT gun  are considered unloaded, but immediately fatigued.

B.If carrier is a truck and destroyed, 1,2,3,4 destroys AT gun, and that many no. of casualties to squad. 5-6 = no effect. Surviving squad and or AT gun is then considered unloaded but both are immediately fatigued.

C.If carrier is a tank, regardless of effect of attack on tank, the squad must roll a casualtie die roll of 1,2,3 causiing that no. of casualites to squad. 4,5,6  is no effect. The squad is then considered unloaded and is immediately fatigued.

7.Tanks take 3 levels of damage: light, medium, heavy. 1-2 = light 3-4=medium 5-6= heavy

Medium damage causes movement to be halved, and Fire power -2

BJaffe01 said:

I agree, that still makes the most sense in a tactical setting.