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Suprised by elusive monster
Published on 03 January 2009 - 17:49:20

The other night we were playing scenario 10 and this came up.  How does being suprised by an elusive monster work?  We ruled that you go to the first round of combat like normal.  The player wanted to run after the first round, and it seems logical that the monster also wants to avoid combat, but there are no special rules for fleeing elusive monsters so we decided the investigator was stuck with a normal sneak check.  (Our default rules question rule is whatever is worst for the investigators).  Does this interpretation seem right?

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Reply #1 | Published on 03 January 2009 - 09:12:55

Surprise says you cannot evade the monster.

Elusive says that you must successfully evade it to initiate combat.

So you cannot evade it, you cannot engage a Surprised Elusive monster.  It would go back to the monster cup in this case without doing any combat.  If it were the Werewolf, it would deal its 2 Stamina damage and be gone.

- Brian <><

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Reply #2 | Published on 18 January 2009 - 01:16:46

Once you enter combat with an Elusive monster, it acts like any other monster.

The question here is, can an elusive monster surprise you?  I would rule yes, it can.  It would be rare for sure.  But also it would be rare for an elusive monster to think that, just once, "I can sneak up on this guy."

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Reply #3 | Published on 18 January 2009 - 07:59:23
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Maybe it's thematically something like: You open a door in an abandoned building, or turn a corner to find yourself staring at a darkened alley and something bursts out of that door or alley, brushes past you and flees. At first you're too surprised and a little startled to think of giving chase and once you react it's already gone.

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Reply #4 | Published on 18 January 2009 - 12:09:41

ColtsFan76 said:

Surprise says you cannot evade the monster.

Elusive says that you must successfully evade it to initiate combat.

So you cannot evade it, you cannot engage a Surprised Elusive monster.  It would go back to the monster cup in this case without doing any combat.  If it were the Werewolf, it would deal its 2 Stamina damage and be gone.

Remind me your reasoning behind this? I thought the stamina damage from the Werewolf was a movement ability only.

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Reply #5 | Published on 18 January 2009 - 14:13:39

Tibs said:

ColtsFan76 said:

 

Surprise says you cannot evade the monster.

Elusive says that you must successfully evade it to initiate combat.

So you cannot evade it, you cannot engage a Surprised Elusive monster.  It would go back to the monster cup in this case without doing any combat.  If it were the Werewolf, it would deal its 2 Stamina damage and be gone.

 

 

Remind me your reasoning behind this? I thought the stamina damage from the Werewolf was a movement ability only.

My reasoning is that it doesn't say it is limited to movement.  It just says if it enters a location with an investigatpr.  I consider "A moster appears!" as entering a location.  But I also expect this one to be clarified one way or another if they ever get around to updating the FAQ.

- Brian <><

aka ColtsFan76

 

Reply #6 | Published on 18 January 2009 - 19:02:27

ColtsFan76 said:

Tibs said:

 

ColtsFan76 said:

 

Surprise says you cannot evade the monster.

Elusive says that you must successfully evade it to initiate combat.

So you cannot evade it, you cannot engage a Surprised Elusive monster.  It would go back to the monster cup in this case without doing any combat.  If it were the Werewolf, it would deal its 2 Stamina damage and be gone.

 

 

Remind me your reasoning behind this? I thought the stamina damage from the Werewolf was a movement ability only.

 

 

My reasoning is that it doesn't say it is limited to movement.  It just says if it enters a location with an investigatpr.  I consider "A moster appears!" as entering a location.  But I also expect this one to be clarified one way or another if they ever get around to updating the FAQ.

I think I ruled the opposite because they could have just made him a red monster instead of a green one that says to move like a red. Green is, after all "special movement" so it kind of implies that the ability is movement related only.

However, I can support the argument that the green in this case is merely to draw attention to the special text. I too await a clarification on this.

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Charlie Kane would befriend a strangled cat if given the chance.
Finn Edwards has very deep pockets.
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Lily Chen can punch a hue.
Lola Hayes is the world's best Egyptologist.
Mark Harrigan is very good at hedge mazes.
Michael McGlen has never experienced an earthquake.
Minh Thi Phan makes group hugs empowering.
Patrice Hathaway plays songs you can't get out of your head.
Tommy Muldoon is most qualified to be deputy, yet for some reason nobody want him to be.
Tony Morgan sells meat out of the back of his van.
Ursula Downs can shop at an empty store.
Wendy Adams always wins at hide and seek.
William Yorick has a Bachelor's in Cryptozoology—no wonder he can't find work.
Wilson Richards will paint over anything for a dollar.
Zoey Samaras can torch a fire vampire.

Reply #7 | Published on 19 January 2009 - 02:35:50
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 Would do you to catch a elusive monster on the Terrible Experiment rumor?

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Reply #8 | Published on 19 January 2009 - 17:49:20

MrsGamura said:

 Would do you to catch a elusive monster on the Terrible Experiment rumor?

You would have to pass an evade to engage it.  Otherwise it would stay on the card.  But an elusive monster should never surprise you as a surprise only comes from encounters.

- Brian <><

aka ColtsFan76

 

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