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Han Solo Question…
Published on 16 December 2012 - 17:38:59

Just won the Falcon yesterday (yaay me lol), and had a question on the Han Solo pilot card.  His ability reads:  when attacking, you may reroll all of your dice.  If you choose to do so, you must reroll as many of your dice as possible.  I am not sure exactly how this would work.  Is that a one-time reroll?  Or, as can also be read, do I get to reroll more than once?  Or are you only "making an attack" once?

Example:  I am shooting with Han, and roll, and it's only one hit.  I decide to reroll, and it's the same:  one lousy hit.  Can I then reroll all of my dice again?

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Reply #1 | Published on 16 December 2012 - 15:42:59

clique84 said:

Just won the Falcon yesterday (yaay me lol), and had a question on the Han Solo pilot card.  His ability reads:  when attacking, you may reroll all of your dice.  If you choose to do so, you must reroll as many of your dice as possible.  I am not sure exactly how this would work.  Is that a one-time reroll?  Or, as can also be read, do I get to reroll more than once?  Or are you only "making an attack" once?

Example:  I am shooting with Han, and roll, and it's only one hit.  I decide to reroll, and it's the same:  one lousy hit.  Can I then reroll all of my dice again?

A die may only be rerolled once per shot.

Reply #2 | Published on 16 December 2012 - 19:55:04
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Yes, that's spelled out in the rules, another example is

Darth Vader Target locks a rebel, shoots and get's a miss, spends his target lock to reroll and it still misses, I can't then claim the Howlrunner reroll on any of those same dice.

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Reply #3 | Published on 18 December 2012 - 16:12:57

He essentially has a "poor man's target lock".  Target lock allows the shooter to reroll any dice they wish.  Han must reroll ALL dice he rolled. Obviously, if you roll all misses its a no-brainer to use his ability. If you roll 3 dice and get 1 hit, or 2 hits, you would reroll all three dice again (risking getting 0 hits or fewer hits than the original roll). 

Of course, the advantage is that it doesn't cost an action.

Reply #4 | Published on 18 December 2012 - 17:25:28

dvang said:

He essentially has a "poor man's target lock".  Target lock allows the shooter to reroll any dice they wish.  Han must reroll ALL dice he rolled. Obviously, if you roll all misses its a no-brainer to use his ability. If you roll 3 dice and get 1 hit, or 2 hits, you would reroll all three dice again (risking getting 0 hits or fewer hits than the original roll). 

Of course, the advantage is that it doesn't cost an action.

If Han is the pilot and Luke is the gunner, it also might be a bit more tempting to try Han's re-roll on just an average dice roll…say 2 hits but no crit, knowing that if you completely miss, you'll get another free shot with Luke in the turret….

Jim

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Reply #5 | Published on 18 December 2012 - 20:44:33
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dvang said:

He essentially has a "poor man's target lock".  Target lock allows the shooter to reroll any dice they wish.  Han must reroll ALL dice he rolled. Obviously, if you roll all misses its a no-brainer to use his ability. If you roll 3 dice and get 1 hit, or 2 hits, you would reroll all three dice again (risking getting 0 hits or fewer hits than the original roll). 

Of course, the advantage is that it doesn't cost an action.

 

The other advantage is that you re-roll after you know the result of the defence dice.

 

You roll and score 2 hits, they score an 2 evades, you may then choose to reroll knowing that you have missed anyway and may get lucky and roll 3 hits on the re-roll. (atleast you have nothing to lose)

Reply #6 | Published on 18 December 2012 - 21:11:23

Wait, what makes you think that Han's ability is used after defense dice are rolled?  It looks to me like it would be used during the modify attack dice step, just like a target lock.

Reply #7 | Published on 19 December 2012 - 01:19:58

dbmeboy said:

Wait, what makes you think that Han's ability is used after defense dice are rolled?  It looks to me like it would be used during the modify attack dice step, just like a target lock.

Yah, that's what I thought… aren't all attack dice and rerolls, modifiers, etc. done before any agility dice are rolled for defense?

Although that would be a cool ability… "When attacking, after the defender rolls their defense dice you may reroll one attack die". Subject of course to the "only reroll once" rule.

 

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Reply #8 | Published on 19 December 2012 - 22:45:17
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That is, from what I understand, incorrect.  All attack dice are rolled and rerolled prior to defence.  That way you cant decide laterwhere to spend a target lock or not.  The defender only rolls was the attack dice have fully resolved.

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Reply #9 | Published on 20 December 2012 - 10:10:48

gunslinger7827 said:

That is, from what I understand, incorrect.  All attack dice are rolled and rerolled prior to defence.  That way you cant decide laterwhere to spend a target lock or not.  The defender only rolls was the attack dice have fully resolved.

Yep, agree with these guys. Nothing in Han's rule says it occurs after the defender rolls his dice, and the standard rules have the attacker roll and modify/reroll dice before the defender rolls.

Reply #10 | Published on 21 December 2012 - 05:09:35
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A closer read of the rules shows that you are correct, and I have been playing it wrong.

 

It also means that everyone at my KRT on the weekend was playing it wrong. I guess that is siomething that we need to fix up as a group.

 

Thanks all for pointing it out.

Reply #11 | Published on 21 December 2012 - 10:52:55

Considering Lando is the pilot of the Falcon for the offical KRT, you shouldn't have needed to worry about Han's ability during the KRT.  <grin>

But, I have heard a few people mention that they didn't use the approved lists for the final.

 

Personally, I loved Lando's ability. I was able to get a round 2 attack with my A-Wing w/homing missile. He chose Target lock, and Lando allowed him to also focus.

Reply #12 | Published on 21 December 2012 - 17:38:59
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dvang said:

Considering Lando is the pilot of the Falcon for the offical KRT, you shouldn't have needed to worry about Han's ability during the KRT. 

But, I have heard a few people mention that they didn't use the approved lists for the final.

 

Personally, I loved Lando's ability. I was able to get a round 2 attack with my A-Wing w/homing missile. He chose Target lock, and Lando allowed him to also focus.

 

We did this at ours, because our TO recieved the lists on a pdf, which he couldn't find  (his printed copy) and for some reason wouldn't open (his electronic copy), so he said we could use any list we liked, as long as we stuck to the 100 pt squad building rules, only selected from the cards out of the new boxes, and used all 3 ships.

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