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Published on 02 October 2012 - 08:38:38
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Reply #16 | Published on 25 January 2013 - 11:09:59

An action might generate a token, like focus, target lock, or evade.

Using or Spending a token is not an action, though.

An action is either listed on the ship's Action Bar, or else is labeled with "Action:" or otherwise identified as an Action in its description.

Reply #17 | Published on 25 January 2013 - 11:26:11

Forgive me if this has already been addressed.  My question is what is, if any, the order you need to perform a free action?  The question stems from the errata (ver. 1.0 -- Updated 10/23/2012) for the upgrade, Expert Handling, which now states, "Action: Perform a free barrel roll action.  If you do not have [Barrel Roll] action icon, receive 1 stress token.  You may remove 1 enemy target lock from your ship."

If you are able to chose the order in which you perform actions, I believe you may be able to perform your normal action before you perform any free action, thus retaining the former if the free action results in gaining a stress token.

 

Wave 1:                    Wave 2:
4  X-Wings                 1  Millennium Falcon (YT-1300)
3  Y-Wings                 3  A-Wings
6  TIE Fighters           1  Slave 1 (Firespray-31)
2  TIE Advanced         3  TIE Interceptor

Reply #18 | Published on 25 January 2013 - 12:32:28

SteveSpikes said:

Forgive me if this has already been addressed.  My question is what is, if any, the order you need to perform a free action?  The question stems from the errata (ver. 1.0 -- Updated 10/23/2012) for the upgrade, Expert Handling, which now states, "Action: Perform a free barrel roll action.  If you do not have [Barrel Roll] action icon, receive 1 stress token.  You may remove 1 enemy target lock from your ship."

If you are able to chose the order in which you perform actions, I believe you may be able to perform your normal action before you perform any free action, thus retaining the former if the free action results in gaining a stress token.

I'm not sure what your question is here.  Note that Expert Handling itself is an action (and would thus be your normal action to use it).  As a part of that action, you will perform a free barrel roll action.

Reply #19 | Published on 25 January 2013 - 15:09:40

dbmeboy said:

Inaccordance said:

 

Thanks, gents.  Your examples help greatly.  It takes a little mind bending to get around the tenses used in the language (i.e. focused vs. is focused vs. has focused vs. is focusing), but I think I've got it.

 

 

No problem.  Sorry if my response to you was overly harsh before (it sure looks harsh to me in retrospect). 

To make the language stuff harder: we as players often use the terms loosely when talking about the game because being completely technically correct is often much more wordy and most of the time doesn't impact clarity.  That's why I try to stay very technical when dealing with rules questions though: to avoid confusion with wording (not that I'm always successful…).

 

No worries at all.  I try not to take what anyone, including myself, says in text too seriously.  I find what we say is often misunderstood or communicated poorly.  I can't tell you how many times I've reread my own words and found this to be the case.  This thread is a solid example.  Regardless, it sounds like we're of a similar mind when it comes to using correct language. 

Thanks again for the help.

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Reply #20 | Published on 27 January 2013 - 12:24:48

Ok, thanks for the clarification! Been playing that wrong since the start. 

Follow up question- by that line of thinking, Dreis could give his Focus token to a ship that'd hit an asteroid, yes? And they could then use it? Same with Vander and his Target Locks? 

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Reply #21 | Published on 27 January 2013 - 16:14:14

Cid_MCDP said:

Ok, thanks for the clarification! Been playing that wrong since the start. 

Follow up question- by that line of thinking, Dreis could give his Focus token to a ship that'd hit an asteroid, yes? And they could then use it? Same with Vander and his Target Locks? 

Correct.  Also a ship with a stress token.

Reply #22 | Published on 28 January 2013 - 14:18:10
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dbmeboy said:

Cid_MCDP said:

 

Ok, thanks for the clarification! Been playing that wrong since the start. 

Follow up question- by that line of thinking, Dreis could give his Focus token to a ship that'd hit an asteroid, yes? And they could then use it? Same with Vander and his Target Locks? 

 

 

Correct.  Also a ship with a stress token.

Just to follow up: nothing actually prevents a ship that has hit an asteroid from performing an action. The ship skips its Perform Action step, which is the usual time to take actions, but it can still take free actions if granted one by some source. Stress tokens work differently: a ship with a stress token simply cannot take actions. 

So Garven's ability says "…you may place that token on any other friendly ship", and Dutch's ability says "The chosen ship may immediately acquire a target lock." Because neither requires the target ship to perform an action, any ship can get the benefit. 

But compare that to the text of Squad Leader: "That ship may immediately perform one free action." (Lando works like Squad Leader.) So you can, for instance, use Squad Leader to direct a TIE overlapping an asteroid to Barrel Roll away from--but you couldn't use Squad Leader on a ship with a stress token. 

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Reply #23 | Published on 31 January 2013 - 08:38:38

Gotcha. 

My local club ran a small tournament back in early November and this situation came up. I think my TO got it wrong, or maybe I misunderstood his ruling/ explanation, but the long story short was I've had it wrong in my head ever since. 

Thanks for the clarifications, y'all! I appreciate it!

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