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General Feedback on the Edge of the Empire Beta
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Do you want there to be Jedi in Edge of the Empire?
Published on 19 September 2012 - 22:37:52
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Reply #46 | Published on 27 September 2012 - 11:02:30
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 Did I mention that "Aldo the Wookie" got his nickname for pulling Imperials arms out of their sockets with his force powers?

...every single one of them is a Space Marine, a guy who single handedly can take on a modern infantry division with ease... -Alan Merrett, Head of IP, Games Workshop

 

Reply #47 | Published on 27 September 2012 - 16:26:11
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YES

jedi skills/abilities to a small extent, (as in this beta-book) are a must.

I don't think we need full detailed powers/talents/skills etc. until later

But playing a force sensitive with an "Obligation" of Responsibility, Oath, Duty Bound, or Obsession, and a "Motivation" to Overthrow the Empire, or Restore the past, or Status would be very fitting.

A small addition/notation that the Force-sensitive exile talent tree, might be that "this specialisation must be a second choice", may fit the fringer (jedi are rare) feel a little better, but I would still like to play a green force user trying to hide from, and get his companions to hide him from the Empire.

Step one: concept and background, "I was a farmer, before I noticed my talent to turn on the lights from across the room" should be the norm,(in this setting) not the "I use snub fighters as a tennis rackets vs armed troopers." type of force user. But that takes a strong GM at times to pull off.

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Reply #48 | Published on 27 September 2012 - 23:50:08

AluminiumWolf said:

 
(And I feel I should point out that Luke says he hates the Empire but doesn't know what he can do about it. The PCs job is to give people like Luke hope. And the dude on the Death Star says fear will keep the individual systems in line, which implies the individual systems need to be kept in line, and that they are the kind of guys who use fear to keep people in line. And at the end of the Special Editions everyone is in the streets dancing and letting off fireworks thirty seconds after the Emperors death. But I think everyone agrees that the Special Editions were a bad idea, so that is cheating.)
 

Luke's Empire issues come up after Uncle Owen gets blowed up, as the other poster noted his intent at the start was to go to the academy. His (the other posters) post was more then adequate to support itself so I'm not going to repeat it.  

Also, note that the general population thinks the Empire is the way it is BECAUSE of the Jedi, and once the Jedi are indeed gone, things will go back to normal. 

Regardless, I find that playing a strict game allows me to have full blown jedi running around, and prevents some of the "over power" because the player actually polices their self. More often they are more concerned about where and when a "power" in going to draw unwanted attention, then I am.  It is kinda like the old Vampire game, where you were a vampire, but you didn't want anyone to know that, that you didn't intend to eat.

I do this, not over a hatred of the Jedi, but because i adore the setting. I want it to be as realistic as possible.  

There are alot of variables that go along with Jedi,  like who/what are the other players?  If one is a bounty hunter, is the reward for the jedi too good to pass up?  It isn't me driving that, it is the  players.  Do the other players (who are not jedi), what the headache of having a jedi around?  Do they want to play second fiddle to the star of the show, because honestly, to do what you suggest means that I have to center on the Jedi, and so do the other players, because as soon as he "shows off", guess what?  the party is leaving that area pretty quickly.  Hope everyone got everything they wanted or needed to get done. Etc… It isn't just me being the butt head, it changes everything for everyone.  If I am not enforcing the threat to the jedi, they take over everything, and the other players are like…. What the heck do you need me here for?  Worse yet, what if the morals of the rest of the party are less then par for what the jedi adheres to?  Surely, I can't have a ruthless character and a jedi knowingly cohabiting?  (Its like the assassin and the paladin are going to get along? The paladin is going to "ROLE PLAY" the acceptance of needless death, rape, etc…?)

I am more interested in how they are going to work dark side influence in this game.  That may well limit the force users in and of itself, and I won't have to do a dam thing about it.  Something like, every time you get more darkside faces then light, on the dice, while using a force power you gain a corruption point.  To get purge yourself here is this hard as hell quest.   Darkside points number X and BAM, you're evil.

 

  

 

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Reply #49 | Published on 28 September 2012 - 06:02:15
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It might be worth noting that I am talking about a game where everyone is playing Jedi, so you don't have to worry about the Jedi overshadowing the non-Jedi. I think FFG's Force & Destiny game will probably work like that.
 
But mostly I think of course people want the Empire overthrown. If people are largely happy with the Empires new direction, there doesn't need to be a rebellion to get rid of it. Indeed, such a movement would just be damn libral hippies sticking their oar in where it isn't wanted.

...every single one of them is a Space Marine, a guy who single handedly can take on a modern infantry division with ease... -Alan Merrett, Head of IP, Games Workshop

 

Reply #50 | Published on 28 September 2012 - 12:57:41

AluminiumWolf said:

It might be worth noting that I am talking about a game where everyone is playing Jedi, so you don't have to worry about the Jedi overshadowing the non-Jedi. I think FFG's Force & Destiny game will probably work like that.
 
But mostly I think of course people want the Empire overthrown. If people are largely happy with the Empires new direction, there doesn't need to be a rebellion to get rid of it. Indeed, such a movement would just be damn libral hippies sticking their oar in where it isn't wanted.

 

Aliens want the empire overthrown… Humans by and large are not affected by it.

I would never get away with a game of all jedi in this setting.  Clone wars, The Old Republic, or some other sort, maybe, but doubtful.  I have one or two players that express any interest in playing a Jedi, one is a munchkin (gotta make the most powerful guy, ever, every time), and the other wants the challenge of keeping on the down low.  Force users, general ones, may get a bit more attention from my group, but I don't see everyone I play with opting in.  I could re-distribute my players, having the jedi ones separate from the non-jedi.  I would still have to explain a group of jedi running around (how they are supposed to be so rare, how they met up, etc… but that can be done.   I have another player that makes soldiers, almost exclusively, and then does everything he can to make them better then the jedi, but he would never play an actual jedi. 

 

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Reply #51 | Published on 28 September 2012 - 16:49:41
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+++++Aliens want the empire overthrown… Humans by and large are not affected by it.+++++
 
First they came for the Gand,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Gand.
 
Then they came for the Undesirables,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Undesirable.
 
Then they came for the Progressives,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Progressive.
 
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
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Everyone is fairly quickly going to feel the oppression of the Empire, even if it seemed like a good idea at first. If they don't have the Empire go out of their way to be an asshole to them. If the PCs parents own a farm in Space Iowa, the Empire nationalise it, turn it over to a corrupt corporate governor and turn the Parents out on to the street. If they are Space Wall Street Traders have the Empire collectivise everything and institute universal healthcare that collapses the economy. The Empire are comic book villains, and they should be able to offend everyone.
 
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As for getting people to play Jedi - if you can get the Jedi guys to play non-Jedi in Edge of the Empire, it seems only fair to get the non-Jedi guys to play Jedi in Force and Destiny.

...every single one of them is a Space Marine, a guy who single handedly can take on a modern infantry division with ease... -Alan Merrett, Head of IP, Games Workshop

 

Reply #52 | Published on 28 September 2012 - 22:09:01
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  Not Jedi, but alternate force user types yes.

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Reply #53 | Published on 01 October 2012 - 18:52:20

Yes.

With the following caveat: Force Users should be Jedi scrubs or other minor force traditions, or just self taught force sensitives that do not belong to a tradition. Of course I hope Force Users do not reach the power levels seen in The Clone Wars and The Force Unleashed, even in 'The Force & Destiny'. I may be an old WEG grognard (does WEG have grognards?) but I always preferred my force to be more subtle. Sure the Emperor's battle meditation could affect the entire Imperial fleet but you didn't see him doing silliness like throwing giant floating space chairs at people.

Give the force back its dignity!

 

 

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Reply #54 | Published on 03 October 2012 - 10:15:44

Lord of Malice said:

I may be an old WEG grognard (does WEG have grognards?)

It does now. 

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Reply #55 | Published on 03 October 2012 - 15:33:07

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Lord of Malice said:

I may be an old WEG grognard (does WEG have grognards?)

 

It does now. 

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Reply #56 | Published on 07 October 2012 - 13:52:18
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No because I have seen far too much emphasis placed on them to retain their standing since they're supposed to have been nearly wiped out and any survivors should be more inclined to waiting out the empire rather than giving them a target to hunt down.

In the campaign I was in I introduced a Jedi survivor who met my character who was vehemently against becoming a Jedi eventually in a game I ran I introduced them to him so they could help him escape an Imperial blockade along with his padawan who was the daughter of the local rebel cell leader.

They took him to an obscure and unknown to anyone else system which the players had found in a previous adventure and wasn't used too much to avoid it being revealed.

Later on the system was found and raided with the padawan kidnapped and her master off in pursuit which was intended to lead them to the Tapani Sector before the Darkstryder campaign which another player was going to run.

That was before the dm in question decided to rewrite the star war history with Luke turning evil and having my character become a Jedi even though I said no.

If I do get to run this and get a campaign off the ground I'll avoid Yoda and keep the regular movie history since I don't see any reason to alter those three movies at least!

Sorry its a bit of a sore point for me, still my character is the only person to survive meeting Darth Vader mostly because he keeps running away from him!

For the record my character is still the only one with the "Villa" force ability of when scared enough can dismantle a security cell from the inside!

Thank you Blake 7!

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Reply #57 | Published on 08 October 2012 - 09:31:32
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No.

For the multitude of well thought out reasons already posted. 

Non or Failed Jedi Force users should be rare and only allowable per GM approval. And, oh wait, FFG has already established that approach. Cool.  They're actually making a game that I want to run. 

Full on Jedi will come. In their own time. In their own book. 

Patience. You must learn patience. 

For now, embrace the scum and villainy. Then take on the Empire. And eventually we can bring back a New Jedi Order.
 

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Reply #58 | Published on 08 October 2012 - 22:49:29

No… simply because my campaign does not use them. nuff said.

However, something to think about… these books are unfolding the way the Jedi came back into the Galaxy.

1) Nothing, outsiders living on fringe of crushing empire.

2) Open Rebellion and Galactic civil war.

3) Jedi's start returning and a new Jedi council.

 

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Reply #59 | Published on 11 October 2012 - 21:21:54

No.

This is not because I don't like Jedi.  I do.  Very much.  

I say no because, the game as presented opens you up to so many other possibilities.  I'm sure a few of you have seen a little show called Firefly.    You haven't?  Oh… Okay..  I'll go wait while you watch it.  If you have seen it, watch it again.  I'll wait.

Done?  Good.  Now Imagine using Edge of the Empire to do that show as a game, but Jayne's a Wookie, and Inara is a Twi'lek. (Or swap that - Some people juggle geese)  Yep.  That right there.  

 

Also, the Jedi we see in the prequels and Clone Wars animated show, aren't new characters.   They've been doing that for quite a while.  That's why they're so good.  They're not more powerful, they've just been doing the force thing since they were in diapers.  So let a book come out, that lets you focus on building a campaign with a Master and apprentice, from new padawan to Knight to Master.  

 

But let me have my Wookie hired gun, with a girls name. 

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Reply #60 | Published on 12 October 2012 - 06:41:29

That Blasted Samophlange said:

But let me have my Wookie hired gun, with a girls name. 

But does he have a cunning hat?  The sort of hat that when a persons wears it, people on the street know he's not afraid of anything?

In all seriousness, you make some very good points about what Edge of the Empire is and in particular what it isn't.

Though I have to admit, Inara as a Twi'lek, or better yet a Zeltron… I'll be in mah bunk

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