I just wanted to make this section so that individuals could post positive thoughts and feeling for Fantasy Flight Games to see, about the up coming Box Office Buster... Only War!

So Fantasy Flight Games knows that there is a large group of interested players and fan looking forward to this game. For anyone that could possibly not understand why there should be an Imperial Guard RPG. Walk your candy tail to your local book store and find the Imperial Guard Omnibus: Volume 1... Flip to the Foreword written by Dan Abnett himself. After reading that, if your not sold on this game and the fact the the Imperial Guard is one of the best parts of Warhammer 40k. Well then, your a Hater.

You're* a hater. And no. Just because someone may have some problems or concerns about this product they do not become haters by any stretch.

Bassemandrh said:

Lol! Attacking a person's spelling, really? Did you need an ego boost or did you just not have a good response? QQing about a company making products is hating. Fantasy Flight isn't bending your arm behind your back to buy it, so why be upset they are making more material? They have attached information that allows all books to work with each other. All wish to make is RPGs that are unique for different point of Warhammer 40k and after purchasing just one a group can play the game. Thus far the "problems or concerns" have had no substance.

 DM Variyn said:

 Beowulf, your comments here are answered to in the other Thread. Sadly, two threads were posted when making it.  Hopefully, you will have more understanding after reading that.

But isn't it your choice to buy all five core rulebooks? No one has made you buy them. And if you want to play a specific game, be it RT or DW or whatever, isn't it normal/expected that you would have to buy the rulebook for the game?


This isn't one game with 5 settings. It's five separate games. That's the way they're treated, that's the way they're written, and that's the way they're released. If they'd taken the core rules out of the core rulebook (ignoring how absurd that sounds in the first place) then everyone would be complaining that they have to buy OW and another core book.

BYE

 As H.B.M.C. said, no one has a gun to your head to buy the book, not even a Commissar. Only War is not required to play any of the other games, in fact none of the other books are required to play each other. So therefore if someone only wanted to play Deathwatch they would not have to buy Black Crusade in order to play it.

It might be that someone was not interested in this at all until the announcement of Only War, so if he buys the book he has the complete game and doesn't need to buy anything else.

To bring Wizards of the Coast into the example, technically you do not need the Dungeon Masters Guide nor the Monster Manual to play D&D, as the Player's Handbook is the game itself. Now are those very good books to have? Of course they are, and to some DMs owning Rites of Battle, a DW splatbook, is great for Black Crusade, but in no means are they required to play the game. 

Honestly the only situation I could think of where this would be a huge problem is if your group was a mixture of all the various games, for some reason your party consists of an Adept, a Deathwatch Assault Marine, a Rogue Trader, and a Forsaken for the hell of it. Maybe I'm just in a minority but I've never seen a level of game mixing that bad in practice. 

So if you don't like the game, if you don't feel that it'll offer anything useful to you or even that it won't offer enough material that it's worth the pricetag on the cover then simply don't buy it. As easy as that. 

As for me personally I'm looking forward to seeing how squad dynamics will work and how it compares to Squad mode in Deathwatch. Playing a group of guardsmen seems like a no-brainer 40k RPG idea to me, even more so than playing a xeno race like Orks (Not saying I won't buy an Ork game at the drop of a hat. I'll buy it so hard the cash leaving my wallet will ignite the air.)

WittyDroog said:

System and GM... Nightmare! 

The "don't buy it then" argument is a good one.

So I won't buy it.

And FFG lose money because of customer discontent, and I'm not the only one saying they're voting with their wallets. And when customers start voting with their wallets there is a problem that needs looking at.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one guys. I'm sure the writers have put in the passion and commitment such a setting and role deserves, this is no slight on them at all, but I'm not buying the rules for a fifth time. 

 And Beowulf that is completely your right to do so. You don't have to buy the book if you don't want to. If this product release has you frothing in the mouth so bad you are entitled to never buying a single FFG product again and telling all your friends not to. It's pretty petty, but no one can stop you on that. Just like how despite your particular opinion, there are others who are not only excited but are eager to obtain this book. I'd like to own it, as I've wanted to play a guardsman based game and there's hope that this will use Black Crusades combat rules (I PERSONALLY, read my opinion, find BC's rules superior to prior incarnations). I have friends who have never been interested in the 40k game until the announcement of this and if they like it so much they might get the others, or they might just keep this. I don't think that the release of this book is going to torpedo the entire line. To put into context the WarHammer Fantasy 3rd Edition was met with severe animosity from fans of the game (I was among them initially) and many people were so turned off like you are towards this that they refused to buy it. And yet... it's still doing pretty well. I even own it despite originally hating the idea of it (To be fair it was a gift from a friend, but I ended up buying supplements for it, so there. For the record after playing I think it's a fine game, but I do prefer 2nd edition overall.).

You also have to remember that the internet is not a good indicator as to the success of a product or not when you consider that usually people come to voice their opinions when they are upset or disappointed. There's still a very large audience who may be interested in the product, and likely those who just like you are opposed to it, who don't belong to these forums. Only War likely won't be as exciting of a release as Deathwatch or to a lesser degree Black Crusade was, but I'm pretty sure FFG knows that already.

beowulf101 said:

 Not to mention Black Crusade's combat rules are notably different than any of the prior games in how it handles many aspects.

I've no hate for FFG or the Imperial guard but keeping in mind we are talking about business here I think that the way FFG publish the books is more or less a bad joke.

Did you need to buy once more the core rule book from Warhammer 40K TT each time you want to make an other army, no, you buy it once then you pay for codex.

I think that it would have been better and more honest for FFG to publish a main rules book for Warhammer 40k universe and then to put step by step more detail by adding "codex".

I'm a fan of the warhammer 40k universe since epic and space hulk, but yes it's a money issue to have to buy once more half of a book I already bought. As a fan i will certainly pay for it but not as gladly as when I pay for DH or DW, even less than RT and BC.

Just stupid to get your customer tired.

 Just my two pennies worth - I think that having distinct core books provides a few big advantages:

1) You only need one book when playing - this speeds things up. More speed = more enjoyment, unlike other areas of life ;)

2) FFG can 'tweak' the rules as the product line evolves. Rules that don't work too well can be amended for the new game but also be used in the other lines if the GM wishes.

3) The book can be written / arranged in such a way as too highlight the thematic differences of the setting (The History of the Emperium section of Black Crusade is awesome for this).

I think this setting will give you all the heroics of Deathwatch with all the Drama of Dark Heresy and as people have already mentioned there are HUNDREDS of war movies to get inspiration from.

Feel the Love! Burn the Heretic!

From a multi-system customer viewpoint:
I think, that in an ideal world, the material would be distributed out packaged in as:

40k the RPG: Corebook (rules, gameworld, basically all of those that is the same or useable in more than one game line)

Gear book (all the gear, guns, implants and stuff you can buy & get that is useable in more then one gameline)

Dark Heresy -core (gameline specific careers, opponents, cults, daemons, heresies, subversive xenos, ..., the stuff specific & useable only in DH campaigns)
Dark Heresy Setting -books (Calixis sector, ...)
Dark Heresy Adventure -books (DH adventures)

Rogue Trader core (gameline specific careers, playing Xenos, pirates, hazards of the void, ship based adversaries, void kraken, ..., ships & all the stuff useable only to Rogue Trader -campaigns)
Rogue Trader Setting -books (Koronus expanse, ...)
Rogue Trader Adventure -books (RT adventures)

DeathWatch -core (space marine careers, the space marine-sized stuff, opponents fit for space marines, .... you get the point)
DeathWatch Setting (blah blah blah)
DeathWatch Adventures (blah)

Black Crusade -core (chaos careers, how to serve chaos, chaos only stuff, opponents of chaos, ...etc)
Black Crusade setting
Black Crusade Adventures

Only War -core (gameline specific careers, armies, enemies, ..., stuff really only useable in Only War -campaigns)
&so on.

Unfortunately, this would be completely and utterly impossible simply due to the fact that it would require all of the material ever to be published to be written, tested, corrected, compatibilized, categorized and separated before publishing any of it.
Just the pure investment required for this would be absurdly staggering. Not to mention that customers generally aren't interested in buying games that require the purchase of several separate components to play, afaik. New costomers usually want to try with just the corebook, and will buy more, if they like what they get.

Okay, maybe it could be packaged as box sets, I recall buying those for RuneQuest in the 90's but would those sell today?

So, in practice, things are done the way they are for a reason, I suspect.

That said, what I'm really, really, hoping to get is official rules for playing ogryn, rules for all kinds of machines of war, artillery, aerial warfare, etc and good mass-combat rules.
But especially the ogryn rules. What kind of a Rogue Trader worth his salt wouldn't want his own low-grade but loyal spacemarine-substitutes for cheap? Also, playing Strongdumb Tuffington would be fun for a change since I usually play intellectual characters. Now if my group would just have someone to take over those duties ...

For Only War, I will reserve judgement until I have personally seen it. No point in jumping to conclusions, really.

Thebigjul said: