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Question about Hellblades
Published on 07 July 2012 - 11:52:55
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The book says they get a +2 Damage buff per enemy killed in an encounter, How does this interact with Hordes? Also, if you have a few slaves, could you butcher them as a sacrifice to Khorne before combat starts?

Quoted from Nolsutt:

You have to be a badass if you go to some random planetagree to go hunt dinsaurs naked without any fuss.

 

In my M42, Space Marines have balls, female Space Marines are called Sisters of Battle (and kick major butt), Chaos isn't STUPID evil,no one is a mindless battledrone except for combat servitors.
 

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Reply #1 | Published on 07 July 2012 - 20:53:14

Khorne and his followers venerate combat and strength in combat, not slaughter for the sake of slaughter. If it were my choice as a GM I would say no, you can't 'charge' a Hellblade before hand by killing off some worthless slaves. Besides, that is just making an annoyance of yourself.

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Reply #2 | Published on 07 July 2012 - 23:09:01
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I would agree for balance's sake; but remember "Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows."

 

The real question was on how it interacted with hordes.

Quoted from Nolsutt:

You have to be a badass if you go to some random planetagree to go hunt dinsaurs naked without any fuss.

 

In my M42, Space Marines have balls, female Space Marines are called Sisters of Battle (and kick major butt), Chaos isn't STUPID evil,no one is a mindless battledrone except for combat servitors.
 

Reply #3 | Published on 08 July 2012 - 11:51:51

I'd consider hordes to be too insignificant for their blood to amount to anything. Killing your minion during a lull in combat (killing him before the combat even starts won't accomplish anything since only deaths inflicted during the same combat grant bonuses) on the other hand side would IMO count. Note: Minion, not random flunky.

Ceterum Censeo Dezmond Ignorandum Esse.

Reply #4 | Published on 11 July 2012 - 02:27:54
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 Well, Tim got back to me, He said that each point of Magnitude removed counted as a "kill" So case closed.

Quoted from Nolsutt:

You have to be a badass if you go to some random planetagree to go hunt dinsaurs naked without any fuss.

 

In my M42, Space Marines have balls, female Space Marines are called Sisters of Battle (and kick major butt), Chaos isn't STUPID evil,no one is a mindless battledrone except for combat servitors.
 

Reply #5 | Published on 11 July 2012 - 22:49:18

Fenrisnorth said:

I would agree for balance's sake; but remember "Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows."

 

The real question was on how it interacted with hordes.

I disagree. Why would he care about the skulls of those that aren't even worth fighting. I'm not saying they would live because he doesn't care, but that they mean much less than the skull of a warrior. The greater the warrior the better, obviously.

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Reply #6 | Published on 11 July 2012 - 22:59:11
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 "Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows" is kinda a famous tagline. Yes, he is the god of combat, but he is also the god of slaughter.  So don't give me this "Why would he care…" junk. He would care because it's blood, blood for the blood god, and another skull for his throne. 

Quoted from Nolsutt:

You have to be a badass if you go to some random planetagree to go hunt dinsaurs naked without any fuss.

 

In my M42, Space Marines have balls, female Space Marines are called Sisters of Battle (and kick major butt), Chaos isn't STUPID evil,no one is a mindless battledrone except for combat servitors.
 

Reply #7 | Published on 06 August 2012 - 10:50:21
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Fenrisnorth said:

 Well, Tim got back to me, He said that each point of Magnitude removed counted as a "kill" So case closed.

 

holy frikkin crap

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Reply #8 | Published on 06 August 2012 - 12:45:17
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That's insane. First, 1 Mag loss and 1 death are different. Second you're going to get up to +50 damage.

 
Reply #9 | Published on 06 August 2012 - 15:44:12

@fenrisnorth

"Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows" is kinda a famous tagline. Yes, he is the god of combat, but he is also the god of slaughter. So don't give me this "Why would he care…" junk. He would care because it's blood, blood for the blood god, and another skull for his throne.

The quote has two interpretations - one being that it's actually irrelevant who you're killing, the other being that it's irrelevant whose side the guy you're killing is on. Khorne doesn't care whether you kill a Space Marine Champion or a World Eater Berserker, although the death of the latter ostensibly weakens his own forces. However, BC took great pains to ascribe certain positive traits to each Chaos God and Khorne's is martial bravery. Khorne gives positive Corruption if you kill a superior foe, not if you slaughter pawns (core rules, page 289).

Ceterum Censeo Dezmond Ignorandum Esse.

Reply #10 | Published on 06 August 2012 - 17:55:19
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Fenrisnorth said:

 Well, Tim got back to me, He said that each point of Magnitude removed counted as a "kill" So case closed.

 

I agree, but I would suggest if the horde's magnitude is low like 1-3, I wouldn't count it then. But if the horde is strong enough then I would count getting bonuses off it.

The main reason is fluff/reasoning. If your pit off against a horde of small creatures or humanoids, like nurglings or snotlings, the blades is not gaining strength off their souls (much like eating potato chips). But if you fighting let's say a horde of Orks or Imperial Guardmen, then you can qualify for the gaining the bonus (as the blade gorges on the feast of many souls.)

Blood for The Blood God
Change for The Great Conspirator
Plague for The Master of Pestilence
Pain for The Prince of Pleasure
Corpses for The Corpse God (Seems that way anyway)
Breeders for The Horned Rat (Grey Seers, Rejoice)
Malice for Malal (Pun Fun)
Zuvssim Undoes You (He He, I feel Russian)
Doubt All for Necoho (Enjoy The Paradox)

Reply #11 | Published on 08 August 2012 - 06:54:57

 Im OK with that 1 mag = 1 kill, but I would restrict that to one "kill" per attack. You just have to deal at least one magnitude damage in this attack. 

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Reply #12 | Published on 16 August 2012 - 06:24:48
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bogi_khaosa said:

That's insane. First, 1 Mag loss and 1 death are different. Second you're going to get up to +50 damage.

Which will do you no good at all against a Horde, and if the Horde is fighting alongside a more powerful enemy, then by the time you've "charged up" by slaughtering the Horde the more powerful enemy is probably either dead or killing you.

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Reply #13 | Published on 17 August 2012 - 00:51:26
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Chastity said:

bogi_khaosa said:

 

That's insane. First, 1 Mag loss and 1 death are different. Second you're going to get up to +50 damage.

 

 

Which will do you no good at all against a Horde, and if the Horde is fighting alongside a more powerful enemy, then by the time you've "charged up" by slaughtering the Horde the more powerful enemy is probably either dead or killing you.

was going to point out something along these lines as well.

Adeptus mechanicus contains lunatics with high restrictions, fanatics who follow the machine god… I am the same, except no restrictions.

Reply #14 | Published on 18 August 2012 - 12:47:06
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My take is, if you manage to get your hands on a Hellblade (and your GM isn't letting you have one easily) then sure, a kill is a kill. Aside from certain Daemonweapons, the Hellblade is the cream of the crop.

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Reply #15 | Published on 18 August 2012 - 19:20:45
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Chastity said:

 

Which will do you no good at all against a Horde, and if the Horde is fighting alongside a more powerful enemy, then by the time you've "charged up" by slaughtering the Horde the more powerful enemy is probably either dead or killing you.

This… doesn't make sense. You fight the Horde, get your + 50 damage, then run over and slice the tank in half that your other party members are fighting.

 
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