I don't care when they bring in another street fighter set. I just want a Gouken. Or so help me I'm gonna cut someone..... Just sayin'. :D

Darklogos... you keep saying there's no penalty for stores playing non-miniblock. Do you not understand that there are? The card recognition and deck-learning experience in non-B4 tournaments is completely non-applicable to other tournaments. Moreover the city tournaments and regionals will not be played with the same rule-set. You won't gain any experience with decks you can use elsewhere, or learn anything about the state of the game and the present meta not playing B4. Playing UFS-that-was is handicapping every player who takes part in those tournaments.

In response to KawaiiMistress... I empathize with you completely. But that's not a byproduct of the competitive atmosphere. It's a byproduct of game imbalance. I was extremely frustrated the entire time that the character I wanted to play was not designed to play the way I wanted to play her. It was very frustrating. But I think that non-forgiving card effects and game elements make the game far more interesting as it becomes a mental chess-game regardless of who is playing. One of the things I've always admired about UFS is the ability to make budget decks that can out-perform extremely expensive decks. In the closing days of B2, I ran a deck that cost at most $40 that would thrash $300 decks, and didn't start losing until people in my playgroup started packing cards that were answers just for it.

For the record I don't think that B4 has any problems from a gameplay perspective. I really don't. The card pool is a little too thin for my taste, but that's it. The only reason that I'm so outraged is because I only bought into the game because there was an option to play my favorite characters... most of whom (and my favorite that I bought the game to play) are from Street Fighter, with some from Samurai Shodown and Darkstalkers as well and now none are legal in any games beyond a sandbox level. I don't think I've been so much rude as attempting to express my utter outrage with the decision to leave behind everything that made UFS worth playing for me.

i still think warriors dream and flames of fame should be block 4 just cause those are the remaining strret fighter and snk sets. plus the cards in that set give more options for other symbols order and all and water. honestly would make alot of sense.

I am terribly sad to see all of Darkstalkers go and..who knows when the next set for them will be. I should be justified for this..I freaking dressed up as Morrigan! While Realm of Midnight was my favorite set out of all of UFS..for the art, the characters and the cards..it did break the game slightly. Ira Spinta..anyone?

I don't plan on competiting at huge events again..maybe who knows. I'd like to think of Worlds 2009 as my first and my last time going to a big event. I did well..(in my eyes) and I had fun. I teased the crap out of Paul Bittner for not killing me correctly..haha. At our store, we make a new deck almost once a week just to play random gimmicky characters. We had a Demetri burn deck not too long ago and St. Nicholas trying to pull off his present giving.

To all the players who think their Blood Runs True is useless now...please send them over here. I don't own a single copy... ;)

**As a side note..did anyone else notice the title should be August SOTG instead of STOG?

DrUnK3n_PaNdA said:

So...in a nutshell, you're mad about you're inability to gain experience in a new format because you don't wanna play it?

DrUnK3n_PaNdA said:

Building a wall of gray and winning is not a mental chess game. It's mental sodomy.

DrUnK3n_PaNdA said:

No, you've been rude. And you're 'expressing outrage' is more or less whiny bitching about how you lose your favorite characters. Here's a news flash; you're not the only one. Many who agree with the move also lose the characters that they love, like my Terry or Rock Howard. Bottom line? get in or get out. It's really that simple.

DrUnK3n_PaNdA said:

When Steve/James can announce a new license or a license renewal you'll find out. Until then everything is just speculation.

Beautiful post. I love how you are fixing the character problem and I love how you plan to make everyone playable. I have been around since the dawn of the game and I havent been this excited for a while. After reading this post I feel like I want to go tinker with a few decks and have a good ol throwdown. 

Get online Dave...

DrUnK3n_PaNdA said:

My questions to you then are the following. Are you getting new players? Are you willing to spend time and teach new players? I've done the Scout's role in other games and I can tell that is how new players balance both worlds. Unrestricted in Heroclix is like legacy but worse. They only banned 2 pieces in heroclix. I almost lost half a play group because of 1 format. But you know what I did it taught players how to prepare for restricted and unrestricted formats. I spent my time after tournaments teaching everything I know into new players. That is the key the lack of selfishness of scouts and local players. Is there a difference between b3 and b4 yes. Its up to you to teach and give learning experinces. If you don't want to then deal with the consequences. Who said this was going to be easy. If you don't have new people coming in then nothing really changes. Do your thing and it makes your point moot. If you have new people coming in its sad that you don't want develop an envoirment for them to have a chance in and get more players into the game at a low cost to them. Making new players play b3 is just wrong because your just telling them that they never will have a chance and that this is purely a money game. Thing is people talk about cheap decks beating big decks but only big decks show up to big tournaments. Only big decks win tournaments. I doubt UFS House was packing a deck that was worth less then 150 dollars. I really really doubt they were packing 40 dollar decks. Defiently not in a b3 format.

Card recognition is an issue of one putting in time and work. If you don't know how a card plays then playtest like the rest of us. Get new players in on your play testing. If folks don't recognize the characters get them to play the games because of the mechanics. If they don't like the mechanics a street fighter,kof, or darkstalker candy shell won't fix it.

If you want to be a city champ then man up and get training for b4. The playing field is level. No one has edges. You don't like the character card issue that is very clear. Feel free to walk away from those tournaments. If you feel that your are entitled as a customer that those city and store championships should be played in b3 then do what you will to make that happen.

Panda you pretty much made it clear that you don't want to be in the game any more. Why don't you take a break and come back in a year. Instead of complaining about an issue that is not going to change walk with your money. If you want to come back later that's fine. At this stage you have 2 choices. Stay, deal with some crap you don't like and grow your playgroup. Or walk away and hope your playgroup is there when you get back. Either way I hope the best for you.

FFGSteve said:

Thanks for this, I was wondering if we'd see bigger sets to make up for the new release schedule.

My playgroups. Yes both of them broke up over this same decision. Weither in outrage at the fact that their chase cards were rendered completely worthless or the fact that their favorite license was no longer represented in the game. This decision killed UFS in Seattle. You heard the same from both Tuggs and Quagaar who I've been playing the game with for around a year now. Ironically I actually had two people who were very excited to get into the game because one could play Lord Raptor, and the other could play Talim. Now that there's no legal version of either, they both dropped all interest in the game, as did another long time player because he was on a budget and lost 90% of his card pool, which he can't afford to replenish to stay in the game.

It should say something that I'm not even mad that I lost 4 BRTs, 4 Chesters, 4 Olcadan's, 4 LotM, 3 Neo Raging Storms, 2 Feline Spikes and a playset of every starter rare... on top of all the other hard-to-find rares I had. If it's healthier for the game... fine... whatever... it's healthier for the game.

Yes, I feel that City and Store tournaments should be run in any format the store pleases at this stage, simply because of the way-too-early rotation. It's interesting that you tell me to 'do what I will to make that happen' and to quit whining in the same post. Protest, but don't protest.

Lastly at my regionals there was a $40-ish deck that came two vitality from winning against the deck that ended up beating me in singles for 1st place. It was promo Blanka aggro off of Fire.

I think UFS has fine mechanics, I don't hate them, but I wouldn't have bought the game for the mechanics... which was my point. Without the characters it's JUST mechanics, and that alone isn't enough for most people to buy into... or continue playing a game.

At any rate if I walk away now I won't have a playgroup when I get back... so it's either take a stand here and keep my playgroups, or just forget UFS for a year until a new Street Fighter set comes out that may-or-may-not have my favorite character in it... and play by myself until I can drive down to a large scale tournament a few times a year. To me those sound like lovely options. Don't they to you? This also means I will never have a chance to play the character card that I won. How awesome is that?

I honestly honestly do not see why you're so disappointed. Everyone has been telling you...you can run whatever the hell format you want. If you want block 3 so you can run blood runs true..go for it. If you want block 2, no one's stopping you... unless the sole reason you play UFS is to goto big touraments..maybe you should be mad. By the time the next worlds rolls around, we'll probably have a set or two with licenses that you enjoy.

I loved Darkstalkers and that all got rotated out, but I'm not crying since we can just play legacy and get support either way.  Boohoo I can't play my 3 Darkness Blades....everyone lost their chase cards for standard but I'm happy that more people are looking into legacy. The much better format anyways.

KawaiiMistress said:

Because some people feel entitled that their every whim be catered for.

KawaiiMistress said:

This is the same guy who complained endlessly after Promo Sakura rotated that there was no legal version of Sakura that was tournament viable.

Until there is a tournament version of Sakura that thoughtessly wrecks face, he'll bitch endlessly.

 Note - that rather then he be happy that Sakura Top 8'd (BTW - We told you Panada that Sakura was viable!)

He finds something else to complain about. BTW - Panda -  Shut up, Play Legacy. That fixes all of your problems.

Antigoth and Hatman win this thread.