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Splinter Rifle
Published on 04 July 2012 - 13:43:27
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In Black Crusade it has Toxic (4).

In Only War it apparently lowers that to 2.

Which is correct? If they are meant to be different, what guide will there be for converting the additional DE stuff from OW into BC?

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Reply #1 | Published on 05 July 2012 - 09:58:38
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Both. Different games, different rules.

As for converting, that's gonna be entirely at your own discretion.

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Reply #2 | Published on 05 July 2012 - 13:18:31
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This really is my biggest problem with FFG. I get that the pc's in each game are of different power levels, but this is not the way to deal with it in my opinion. It means that, if i want to use stuff from other games (such as the extended DE bestiary in OW), I have to take into account those power levels and guestimate a fix.

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Reply #3 | Published on 06 July 2012 - 13:17:03
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Even though they dare claim that they are perfectly mergeable. I have decided that I transfer only the monsters AND EVEN THEN WITH HIGH CAUTION!

although I haven't yet GM'd my first FFG game. 

Adeptus mechanicus contains lunatics with high restrictions, fanatics who follow the machine god… I am the same, except no restrictions.

Reply #4 | Published on 06 July 2012 - 17:20:51

 Split the difference and call it Toxic (3). Problem solved.

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Reply #5 | Published on 06 July 2012 - 18:53:15

Do whatever feels appropriate. If you like your raiders extra-poisonous, take the Toxic (4). If you'd like to swarm your group with a couple more of them without them keeling over from the first two darts, take Toxic (2). Then pray that the Rules Police doesn't notice.

Problem solved?

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Reply #6 | Published on 07 July 2012 - 09:06:23
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Personally Toxic (4) is too high given that other than this a Kabalite warrior is by and large on a par with a starting heretic. I deliberately didn't have them use their rifles for that reason when I ran them. They nearly got to fire them, but their crappy luck and the pc's chainsword did for them.

But again the answer to these problems isn't houserules.

Yes I get that people like to house rule games. I don't, unless it is absolutely essential. I don't buy games so I can change the rules. If I wanted to do that, I would just write my own game in the first place! YMMV, but the solution to a rules issue shouldn't be 'ignore it', which really is what you are saying. What should happen is that the developers should adress or explain the issue. Sadly FFG don't.

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Reply #7 | Published on 07 July 2012 - 16:07:36

What should happen is that the developers should adress or explain the issue. Sadly FFG don't.

So I take it you already pushed that "Rules Questions" button at the very bottom of the site two or three weeks ago, actually asked them about the issue and didn't receive a response?

Ceterum Censeo Dezmond Ignorandum Esse.

Reply #8 | Published on 07 July 2012 - 17:58:48

signoftheserpent said:

Personally Toxic (4) is too high given that other than this a Kabalite warrior is by and large on a par with a starting heretic. I deliberately didn't have them use their rifles for that reason when I ran them. They nearly got to fire them, but their crappy luck and the pc's chainsword did for them.

But again the answer to these problems isn't houserules.

Yes I get that people like to house rule games. I don't, unless it is absolutely essential. I don't buy games so I can change the rules. If I wanted to do that, I would just write my own game in the first place! YMMV, but the solution to a rules issue shouldn't be 'ignore it', which really is what you are saying. What should happen is that the developers should adress or explain the issue. Sadly FFG don't.

FFG may have thought the Splinter in BC was too strong and reduced its strength for OW. I have no idea why they wouldn't just put that in the errata though.

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Reply #9 | Published on 07 July 2012 - 23:50:04

I would go with poison 2 myself the 4 is so high it makes it pointless to even bother making the check for most creatures. and really they are splinter rifles a very common weapon in the dark eldar army if they are all poison 4 then space marines better go back to traveling around in 100,000 man legions in case so dark eldar show up.

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Reply #10 | Published on 08 July 2012 - 06:40:02
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DJSunhammer said:

signoftheserpent said:

 

Personally Toxic (4) is too high given that other than this a Kabalite warrior is by and large on a par with a starting heretic. I deliberately didn't have them use their rifles for that reason when I ran them. They nearly got to fire them, but their crappy luck and the pc's chainsword did for them.

But again the answer to these problems isn't houserules.

Yes I get that people like to house rule games. I don't, unless it is absolutely essential. I don't buy games so I can change the rules. If I wanted to do that, I would just write my own game in the first place! YMMV, but the solution to a rules issue shouldn't be 'ignore it', which really is what you are saying. What should happen is that the developers should adress or explain the issue. Sadly FFG don't.

 

 

FFG may have thought the Splinter in BC was too strong and reduced its strength for OW. I have no idea why they wouldn't just put that in the errata though.

There's a few things not in the errata. The book copies and pastes entries from older games and noone proofread to see if the correct skills were used (such as chaging pilot to operate).

I assumed the change from 4 to 2 was for precisely this reason. Toxic 4 is ridiculous.

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Reply #11 | Published on 08 July 2012 - 06:42:28
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Cifer said:

What should happen is that the developers should adress or explain the issue. Sadly FFG don't.

So I take it you already pushed that "Rules Questions" button at the very bottom of the site two or three weeks ago, actually asked them about the issue and didn't receive a response?

I've asked them rules questions before. They don't give a response. Their customer service is pretty poor IMO. So no, I haven't asked them this time because I frankly can't be bothered to waste my time.

This is a development team that took 6 months to produce an errata that still doesn't fix everything. That doesn't suggest to me they care or are on the ball. I wish that were different, but…

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Reply #12 | Published on 08 July 2012 - 19:03:58

signoftheserpent said:

Cifer said:

 

What should happen is that the developers should adress or explain the issue. Sadly FFG don't.

So I take it you already pushed that "Rules Questions" button at the very bottom of the site two or three weeks ago, actually asked them about the issue and didn't receive a response?

 

I've asked them rules questions before. They don't give a response. Their customer service is pretty poor IMO. So no, I haven't asked them this time because I frankly can't be bothered to waste my time.

 

This is a development team that took 6 months to produce an errata that still doesn't fix everything. That doesn't suggest to me they care or are on the ball. I wish that were different, but…

 

Is it really a waste of time to copy and paste what you wrote in the opening post of the thread and send it to FFG? By not sending it in, you're pretty much guaranteed not to get an official response.

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Reply #13 | Published on 09 July 2012 - 04:49:48

But there's the off-chance that FFG sends an answer, perhaps even an intelligent one - and if that was the case, one couldn't in good conscience continue moping. And let's be honest: Wailing about the pitiful customer service of FFG (which one never asked about this topic) is much better than having an answer to a mostly irrelevant question.

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Reply #14 | Published on 09 July 2012 - 05:51:41
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Isn't it possible to both ask questions here and on their not particularly good customer service form? I've sent off the question.

Wouldn't they be better off just reading the forums they created specifically for the purpose of asking rules questions? After all if they aren't going to bother with questions asked there, what's the point of that forum? Who else will be able to provide an answer; us players can only guess.

~sigh~ it's just so frustrating. It could all be so awesome, but for a lack of attention to detail.

 

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Reply #15 | Published on 09 July 2012 - 05:57:40
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Cifer said:

But there's the off-chance that FFG sends an answer, perhaps even an intelligent one - and if that was the case, one couldn't in good conscience continue moping. And let's be honest: Wailing about the pitiful customer service of FFG (which one never asked about this topic) is much better than having an answer to a mostly irrelevant question.

Is that language you're using helpful do you think, or deliberately confrontational?

Telling people they are just 'moping' or 'wailing' is ridiculous.

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