Cifer said:

I did a long post with math that apparently took to long and was lost to the ether. Basically what the math ended up boiling down to is Apples to Apples, Swift Attack will always be a better choice than two weapon wielder if you must choose between them and Frenzy takes about 5 rounds to catch up for the bonuses (which aren't really that significant) it gives. Also Asrodel is better than Babaroth over all and should probably jack his chainaxe as he'll do better with it.

I thought I remembered from 2+years ago that the unnatural attributes + other bonuses for PC's capped out at +10 (that may be a mix up with WFRP first edition though as I don't have my DH books here at work).

Hm, I can't seem to edit the above post to include "unless you are two weapon wielding 2 semiauto 2 or less pistols."

I did a long post with math that apparently took to long and was lost to the ether.

Same here.

Basically what the math ended up boiling down to is Apples to Apples, Swift Attack will always be a better choice than two weapon wielder if you must choose between them

I disagree. Firstly, Two Weapon Wielder has a higher chance of hitting at all, which may be all that's important when you're swinging 1D10+14 Tearing around (it would, for example, be entirely enough to obliterate the group witch if she went bonkers). Secondly, TWW draws out two reactions which many enemies won't have instead of leaving the enemy with the chance to just roll ten points below his dodge/parry skill and evade the entire attack.

Only if it's about average numbers of hits does Swift Attack stay flat-out better.

and Frenzy takes about 5 rounds to catch up for the bonuses (which aren't really that significant) it gives.

Are you sure about that? Because I really can't see how one can compare the benefits of having +10 T, WP to not having them.

There's also the question whether Unnatural Abilities would double the frenzy bonuses or whether their flat +4 bonus are the actual rules rather than shorthand for "we don't want to explain that the +20 strength of the power armour isn't multiplied since it's not part of their actual strength".

Are we certain that Unnatural abilities are adding +4 now and not doubling the characteristic bonus? Sure, it adds 4 for each of the Marines, but that's their stat bonus as well. Could they not just be doubling them and listing it as an addition for simplicity's sake, much like how the strength bonuses appear to be already figured into the weapon damages?

bmaynard said:

Unlikely, considering that in Final Sanction (Deathwatch demo adventure) Unnatural Characteristics worked the same way they did in the final version and in previous games.

Also, doesn't the Heretek also have Unnatural Characteristics? Do his bonuses map with his base stats?

The heretek does in fact have a +2 to his toughness bonus "due to the warp-spawned flesh grafted to his body." (Giving him a total of 6)

Which I would think further enforces my point that we don't know exactly how the bonuses are figured. Especially since in both instances they're listed as "Unnatural Characteristics" and the bonuses are different.

Thanks to it being online, I just finished reading it...

interesting.  I can't say I'm entirely happy with how they seem to have embraced the "Chaos as evil icky bad guys at all levels" thing despite trying to say otherwise in some of the Dev Diaries.  I'd have loved to see, for instance, the charismatic girl be more of a victim of bad circumstances and infighting, still relatively good despite it all, just forced into other things instead of a flesh mask wearing heretic.  Oddly (Well, maybe not) the Alpha Legionairre is the only one who is even close to not being flat out evil. 

Still, it is a rather cool adventure, I love the setting of the ship.  It shows just how big even a small one is.  And how amazingly huge a game ran on a Space Hulk could be (Easily big enough for an entire campaign).  I could see even this one being easy to make much larger just by having a couple other factions and tribes to have everyone playing off of and against.  So that's neat! 

Can't wait for the book at Gen Con (And will have a hard time not leaving the hall to read it immediately and instead try to save it for the long ride home!), and hopefully we get a sequel 'adventure' like Deathwatch did in a week or two as well.

@Dulahan

While most characters definitely are on Team Evil both in allegiance and outlook, I'd say both the psyker and the heretek are not that obviously evil. The latter is of the Mad Scientist type, but does what he does for idealistic reasons - he believes humanity will grow stronger with daemon grafts. And the witch... well, she's going to survive, no matter what it takes.

Dulahan said:

When the game is released and if I'm tasked with running it, I'll probably start by doing just that.