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Well, the thing that you'd have to consider is that "Tales of the Black Frieghter" is really more of a plot counterpoint. It's in many ways supposed to be be a distraction from the central plot.
Kennon said:
Well, the thing that you'd have to consider is that "Tales of the Black Frieghter" is really more of a plot counterpoint. It's in many ways supposed to be be a distraction from the central plot.
And probably part of why it made the Top 100 list. The first two times I read the series I didn't care for the Black Freighter. Now it is why i pay more attentnionto those parts of the comic. The parallels that it draws, both immediatey and later in the story, are fascinating.
If you can laugh at the Watchmen, I found this link in the UFS Off Topic discussion:
Twistedly funny.
JerusalemJones said:
can see you perspective on it, but Nuclear War isn't the only reason to try and save the world. Not like I want to defend Veidt, but there are other threats to our world -- germ warfare, dirty bombs, terrorists, diminishing resources -- any of which could be used to "justify" the extreme actions takes to unite humanity for a common cause.
Now, frankly, I'm pretty ambivalent about the threat of terrorists, germ attacks and dirty bombs. If they are so easy to come by, why haven't they happened yet? Mind you, the Anthrax thing did have me on edge for around a year or so -- but I am a mailman, so that one hit pretty close to home. I really think that after 9/11, when so much of the world was (at least for a time) united behind America, it made groups like Al Quaida think twice -- what good to hurt your enemy, if it brought them more allies to hunt you down. I don't see the next terror attack being something so grand in scale. But now I'm going completely OT.
Exactly
None of the modenr threats are as over arching or all consuming as was the fear of being vaporized in an atomic holocaust in 1986. Great TPB - but it will never have the smae impact for me as it did when I first read it and I don't find much of a payoff in re-readings.
Still a big fan though and still looking forward ot the movie.
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the movie was horrible.
s'all.
Advent said:
the movie was horrible.
s'all.
Horrible? Hmmm....
it followed the comic book, kept the characters intact, has many, many people at my store suddenly interested in the comic book (and enjoying the movie), was adequatedly directed, acted and written. Sorry, Advent, but just throwing out "horrible" doesn't cut it. If you mean "It wasn't anything like the comic" then you are right -- the comic book could never be properly translated into a film. And if you were expecting that, you were bound to be disappointed. But if you can't back up your opinion with reasons, I can't give it any weight.
JerusalemJones said:
Advent said:
the movie was horrible.
s'all.
Horrible? Hmmm....
it followed the comic book, kept the characters intact, has many, many people at my store suddenly interested in the comic book (and enjoying the movie), was adequatedly directed, acted and written. Sorry, Advent, but just throwing out "horrible" doesn't cut it. If you mean "It wasn't anything like the comic" then you are right -- the comic book could never be properly translated into a film. And if you were expecting that, you were bound to be disappointed. But if you can't back up your opinion with reasons, I can't give it any weight.
Lol. You know I only give well backed up reaons when it comes to topics like philosophy or religion. Otherwise, I just don't care. 
I'll get back to you on this, though, since you asked so politely. I don't have the time right now. :)
That's okay, I can wait. Take your time.
Caught the movie last night - and enjoyed it. It was a faithful adaptation of the series and I think it succeeds as such. It suffers from the smae issues that the books do - some risible dialogue, certain issues of relevance for a story that wants to have a larger message. But the ending and the way Veidt plot unfolds is much stronger and more logical than Moore's original conception and the characterizations are very strong. The opening montage, setting up the back story is riveting adn well executed and the actors playing the Comedian and Rorshcach are excellent.
People that cmae to this new to the story will have been exposed to all of the power of the original, such as it is. Fans of teh book were treated to an excellent live action visualization of the classic story. I thought the movie succeeded in what it attempted and was a very solid comic movie - the latest in a recent run of successes in the genre.
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Glad you enjoyed it. I was saddened that is didn't do that well, because all of the local theater pulled it after two weeks, so I haven't had a chance to see it yet. And the IMAXes are showing Monsters vs. Aliens, so I might be out of luck there as well.
I recently picke dup Tales of the Black Freighter. That was okay, but the Under the Hood documentary was awesome!
My biggest problem with the movie was the characterization of Ozymandias/Veidt. I found him to be too detached and hard to warm up to. And to me, that was all wrong. In the comics, one of the biggest things about him was that he was likable, engaging and very much involved with the people around him (this really came across in the supplemental material, but it was certainly part of his dialogue, too.)
In the graphic novel, Veidt would never have needed to be so heavy-handed as to suggest to someone that he could buy and sell them several times over. His basic personality and likability would have convinced them long before it got to that point. It could simply be a product of the adaptation and the medium, but it was something that threw the story off-kilter to me.
I did think the movie was visually stunning. I liked the fact that so many shots were unapologetic duplicates of frames from the graphic novel.
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