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Funniest moment in the entire series:
Gaius Baltar saying something to the effect of: "That area over there looks good for cultivation. I know something about farming."
I laughed so hard, for so long.
'McCarthyism is Americanism with its sleeves rolled.' -Joseph R. McCarthy
I thought it was an excellent finale.
Teh writers have disappointed me at times with where they decided to go with the material, but teh finale to teh series was eevryhting ic oudl have wnated (except teh bit about all modern humans being aprt Cylon - that makes NO sense). But the characters all got nice finishes to tehir story arc. They gave us an hour and a half of OMG, jaw dropping action and surprises and they expalined nearly everything. It was greta to see characters like Tory, Boomer and Cavil get theirs, although a few more of the good guys could have died to really add emotional imapct.
I also liekd the storng spiritual theme running through the final storyline. A ncie touch in this day and age.
and so what was the deal with Kara? i'm guessing she was a ghost - a tradiitonal, old fashioned ghost who came back with unfinished business. Very nice, very touching wrap up to ehr story.
Big thumbs up here.
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Stag Lord said:
I also liekd the storng spiritual theme running through the final storyline. A ncie touch in this day and age.
and so what was the deal with Kara? i'm guessing she was a ghost - a tradiitonal, old fashioned ghost who came back with unfinished business. Very nice, very touching wrap up to ehr story.
Big thumbs up here.
I thought it was a good finale, with the splashes of vibrant green and blue a welcome departure from the years of dark and dank sets.
As for Starbuck, my take on it was that she was exactly what Baltar said during the memorial service--an angel, though not of a strictly Christian type. More a blending between Christian and Norse thoughts on such things (think Valkyrie--warrior come to collect the fallen). I say more angel than ghost because in actual angelology, there's two types of angelic presence. One is ghostlike, with the hallmark of intangibility. The other insists that full physical manifestation is possible, and is often characterized by the angelic visitor eating and physically interacting with the human, until they just up and vanish completely (as Starbuck did on the grassy plain). The ghost stories we have of apparitions leaving physical tokens behind might actually be stolen/mistaken for angelic appearances.
Of course, theologically speaking, angels are their own species of creature. One cannot go from being human to angelic, but that's neither here nor there.
I did also see hints that the "Six" and "Baltar" creatures (also angels) might have been allusions to Michal (sometimes thought to be a female in the Hebrew tradition) and Satan (not in the Luciferian sense--satan is not a proper name but a title meaning "adversary" [think "prosecuting attorney", which is why he seems so pessimistic about humanity's odds of breaking the cycle]).
Paul Revere me...
Just had a thought that I want to float with other fans....
I've been enjoying Bear McReary's BSG remake of Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower", and it got me thinking that maybe the "Six" and "Baltar" apparitions might be patterned after either the "joker" and the "thief" from the song, or the "two riders" who bring destruction.
On the other hand, Starbuck and Lee Adama could be either of those pairings, too, though I'd think they fit the "two riders" more aptly (especially in their viper "steeds").
Paul Revere me...
I like your angelic interpretation, Reinmar - and iti dovetails nicely with the spiritual tone of the finale. My first thought Friday night was "ghost" - becuase of her abrupt disappearance once she realized her task was done, but teh fatc that she was inetratcing materially with so many thinsg was bothering me.
I know Moore has satted in a few interviews that Starbuck "Is whatever you wnat her to be" - but I think i like the angelic assumption. Though that does still leave the problem of a being going from human to angel - which i don't care for at all, but Deus Vult and all that.
On the Baltar -Six thing: I just never saw the Baltar angel as an adversary - he was working just as hard with six as the six angel was with human Baltar. so i am not wholly convinced on the Satan-Michael allegory. I do think moore might be referencing teh paired symbology in Watchtower with these two however.
And going back to Kara's disappearance once more - let me just say that the whole way that scene played out with Kara and lee was really touching. the flashback serves as a nice counterpoint. tehre was always soemhting between those two - until the veyr end when they stood on a grassy plain - and then it was too late.
Great stuff all over the place in the finale. Twenty years ago i could have mined several term papers out of what moore has provided us.
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Yay! I finally managed to log in and navigate my way back to these horrific boards. I don't know if I will ever make the journey again, though.
Anyhoo... really, really liked the finale. Yeah, it dragged a bit toward the end and the flashbacks weren't all terribly insightful (but were worth it to see Tigh in the strip club... YAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!)
Dude. To party with that guy...
I like the conversation here on the nature of the Six and Baltar "angels" and also think he walked the fine theological line very well. Cool idea on the "characters" in the song!
I don't get all the complaining on how it ended with Kara. It's clear to me that she was a prophet of sorts (her paintings) and an instrument of ("he doesn't like to be called that") God. She found peace. And then went on to the other side they all referenced. There with Anders. At a certain point, overt explanations take away rather than add anything (see: midichlorians).
I thought they'd do more with the singularity and that time travel would be involved and they'd go back to our Earth and it being Kobol, but was happy with what they did. After all that traveling and the hell they lived through for YEARS on those awful ships, I, too, would say I'd take my chances spreading out on this lush green planet.
All-in-all, I'm very pleased. It wasn't perfect, but it was very good. Just to see the centurians battling alonside the humans was worth the price of admission. Too, too cool. That was a hell of a battle.
So whatever happened to Deanna, the 7, Lucy Lawless's character?
'McCarthyism is Americanism with its sleeves rolled.' -Joseph R. McCarthy
She quit basically.
Much like Dualla - she lost her faith with the burnt out Earth and just sat there - checking out of the whole thing.
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And these boards are horrifoc compared to what we had in the past, aren't they?
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I don't even notice the boards anymore. I've gotten used to them. I guess my cache has as well.
The whole multiple clicking to get to these boards is just so tiresome. They just aren't as user friendly as teh old ones were. lots more beels and whistles. Not as easy or satisying an experience to read and write here. this isn't just my opinion - many, mnay others agree.
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Maybe its the fact that I post in several different sections of the boards, so moving back on forth isn't a issue with me. If you don't like all the multiple clicking, just bookmark the forum page for Game of Thrones. I've got bookmarks for both just these boards and also the FFG homepage. Personally, I actually like the totality of the boards better, as before it was harder to go from the GoT boards to the board game boards, and there wasn't a direct connection between the two. At least now they are all on the same server. Ditto when I want to check out the Cal of Cthulhu boards. In a wider sense, the boards are much better to navigate.
I guess - if you play their other games. But a large segment of the (old) comunity just came to these baords, just for this game - and all that extra functionality is just cumbersome eextar effort for us.
Clearly its not just me.
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Well, like I said, then just bookmark the main page for the Game of Thrones section of the thread. This might not work as well for you, since I seem to recall your concern about having to enter your username everytime you visit the site, but it should suffice most of the time for most people. Then you get to avoid all the other steps inbetween.
The finale just aired here. So I'm joining the party late - please excoos the thread necromancy. But I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in just in case anyone is still viewing this forum.
I want someone to refute me here: but I found the finale very disappointing. It seemed like instead of having a faith vs science sort of ambiguity (did all this happen for reason or not?) it settled the question of God's existence straight out, and instead settled for ambiguity on what he is and what he wants. The ambiguity was in the wrong place. The angels-as-plot-contrivance felt very weak. Like the writers had put themselves in a corner and had to come with something at the last minute. The idea of Kara as 'whatever you want her to be' does nada for me. And why did angels 1 & 2 keep their Baltar & caprica six forms for 150 000 years?
GRRM in his blog said (& I agree):
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA ends with "God Did It." Looks like somebody skipped Writing 101, when you learn that a deus ex machina is a crappy way to end a story.
Yeah, yeah, sometimes the journey is its own reward. I certainly enjoyed much of the journey with BSG ... But damn it, doesn't anybody know how to write an ending any more? I've seen Clarion students left stunned and bleeding for turning in stories with those endings.
Pfui.
(I sure hope those guys doing LOST have something better up planned for us. Though if it turns out to be They Were All Dead All Along I'm really going to be pissed).
(Some spoilers for non-BSG stuff removed - see his blog if you want to real the whole thing).
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