Really, no one is discussing this yet??!?!?!?

Wow. How sad are we..............................?

I actualyl posted quite a few comments on our store's website, and (although I haven't checked) I'm willing to bet that there is some good discussion going on in the BSG section of this website.

That being said, I'm really intrigued by all that has happened in the episode, and can't wait to see what happens what next. Let's see:

1) Helen as the fifth cyclon. Why not? She was thought to be dead when Caprica was destroyed, yet turned up on Galactica in the first season. Tigh even tough she was a cylon, iirc. How ironic for that to turn out to be the case. And wouldn't that mean that she would resurrect after her death at the start of Season 3? And where would she come back, and when would she reveal herself? One of the guys at our store isn't sure if Helen really is #5, and that of course is a possibilty as well.

2) Earth as a cylon colony, but part of the 13? How does that work out. If the Final Five were able to save themselves, to be reborn again, why were they so special? Whay aren't there more of these cylons about? Is that the reason why there are not multiple copies of these models?

3) Starbuck. What a doosie! I can't say I was shocked when she found her dead body, they lead up to it nicely and I think I would have been disappointed had she not somehow also been resurrected. But what does her resurrection mean? I believe she was human, but I don't know what she is now. Even Yeoman is afraid of her at this point, and only him and her know the truth. I think she was ready to confess to Lee, up until she heard about Dee.

4) Dee. That shocked me. Never saw it coming, and it was so fast. The breakdown of the major characters in this episode -- Roslyn, Adama, Dee. Never even really saw Baltar, how is he taking things. How do you react when you spend years searching, risk everything you have to find your salvation, only to discover it isn't what you need, can't be what you need, it was all "wasted" effort. Bill is trying to pull himself together, but it seemed to me he still isn't fully convinved yet himself, but he has to take charge. Lee is going to become the next president; he at least had the strength to live up to the needs of this tragedy, for lack of a better word. Tigh had his baptism of fire when he learned he was a cylon, so he has the strength to get through this as well. Roslyn may well have given up, though I hope she finds some strength to make the rest of her life as meaningful as the last few years.

5) Perhaps Earth itself needs a savior. I get the feeling that all the low level radiation is what is making the world unsafe for long term habitation, but perhaps that is what is bringing the Fleet and the cylons to Earth. Like the humans, Earth also needs a savior, someone or some thing to make it habitable again. The prophecy told us that Roslyn wouldn't live to see Earth, but perhaps she doesn't live to see Earth's rebirth -- it is only natural, in the confines of the story, that she will die in the last episodes (too bad, I've wanted her and Adama to actually get together). What role does the Earth -- either as its own entity or as the plans left by the 13th tribe -- in the resurrection of Starbuck, the creation of her new Viper?

What is going to happen next?!

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html

lengthy interview with ron moore about the developments in s04/e13 -- puts to rest some lines speculation (helen is without quesiton the final cylon if there is a single character deemed the final cylon), yet widely opens others (the fact that we're supposed to gather that there are many different people walking about on earth in the flashbacks than just 12 models very well could mean that humanity and cylons are the same, in some way or another)

I think hte most interesting theory is that the humans wiped out the 13th colony. The only reason we think its Cylon v cylon is Lee's specualtion. It would be very cool if it turns out that humanity committed the first atrocity and that is where the hard wired hatred of the race comes from on the Cylons part. The first seven don't even know about earth or what happened there - but some sort of genetic memory might be in palce, explaianing why they hate us so much.

It makes so much more sense than just "rise up agaisnt the overlords and wipe them out".

Great episode and I am really looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

Stag Lord said:

Ooo, I like this theory! Makes sense and it fits.

Amazing episode last night. Light on the action, but heavy on the drama.

Cottle saying "next best thing" as he handed Tigh a cigarette in the exam room was just awesome. Those two are too great together. ~Can we get a spinoff called Cottle and Tigh, with those two opening a detective agency and and helping people in need?

Everything is set up, very believably, for one heck of a revolution. I'm hoping it doesn't end by some manufacured, thank gods for the timing intervention, like Cavil and gang showing up.

Also, I saw this raised in a different place, and have been mulling it over quite a bit: A fight to the end between Picard's Enterprise and Adama's Galactice -- who is the victor?

How about the #6 being preggers with Sol's baby? I am kinda weirded out. Not to mention that Tyrol's kid isn't his! Its Hotdog's! (lol). I was thinking up until the point that Tyrol's kid wasn't his that maybe the Final Five are the children of Cylon/Human babies for the next go around (ie. "This has all happened before. It will all happen again"). With the revelation of Tyrol not being the baby's daddy, that kinda puts the kabosh on that theory of mine.

I always knew that Laura and Adama would hook up. That was awesome. Those two seem to be in a very weird place emotionally and mentally, as though they have "checked out" and could care less about the fleet. Rosyln is too wrapped up in her cancer and feelings for Adama to do a damn thing and Adama, since finding Earth and the suicide of Duala, has been a total basket case. Watching him go through the motions of getting ready at the start of his shift, he looks like he is in pain. It hurts him to even get out of bed and brush his teeth. As though he feels the weight of all things humanity is dealing with on his shoulders and nothing he does lifts it.

Felix and Zarek? That's going to be an interesting duo (especially considering Felix's experiance in the webisodes). I am interested to see what is going to happen with the rebellion (if there is going to be one). Admitidly, Tom Zarek is one of my favorite characters. His half Nelson Mandella, half Che persona he has enthralls me. Love him or hate him he has always been an interesting character. Felix has become a pretty messed up guy. The amputation, being Baltar's aid on New Caprica, the webisode revelation and his sudden hate for all things Cylon; he's lost it.

Baltar continues to spout religious retoric, though I did notice it took an almost anti-god, "God should ask us for forgiveness", feel in his speech. He seems to be holding back something, almost like he is waiting for the right time to strike. Maybe I'm just seeing things <shrug>

Galactica's Morale is sitting at 2 right now...

madkasel said:

You know. I can't really think of a reason that these two guys would fight. And really, I think they would probably just talk things over and become good friends. But let's say something weird happens and they do fight. I'd have to put my money on the Enterprise. I mean how cool is a Galaxy Class Starship?! Plus, the Enterprise seems to be the more nimble and faster of the two ships. Not to mention that I'm thinking Enterprise also has better shields. Although, things might get dicey with nukes being thrown around by Galactica. But I'm pretty sure the shields stop most radiation. Either way it'd be epic.

I so love Tom Zarek.

I was a big apollo fan when the original series ran - so its a plus that Hatch has astyed so involved wiht the mythos over the years. But i think I like his zarek character even better - i am not at all sure why the roslin-adama group are still on good temrs wiht teh rebel cylons. They are still the representatives of an artifical, murderous race and now that the Earth hting is all ashes - screw them.

the first priroity of the colonial government shoudl eb to that of teh survivors. Get the technology to upgrade the warp drives - by force if necessary. Then severa ll ties with them and find a safe palce to live. I totally understand gaeda's resentment. waiting for the toasters to get seen to.....

 OH MY FUCKING GOODNESS.

Sorry. It just exploded out of me. That was amazing.

Kennon said:

QFT.

That was a stunningly intense hour of television. My nerves are shot!

 Yeah, I was kinda twitching and shaking a bit. It was intense.

yeah, i'm going to go ahead and agree -- just, wow, what an episode

Its episodes like that which affirm my faith the BSG is one of, if not the, best shows on television. Nick-ler and wanted to talk about it last nigh at the store, but one guy hadn't seen it yet so we could barely say anything at all. Shortly after the "to be continued" flashed on the tv, I turned it off. I didn't want any spoilers whatsoever for next week, I want to be totally surprised by what is going to happen.

Adama was just so bad ass! And it was funny -- when he made the comment "I couldn't live with myself." at the end, I had flashbacks to his character in Blade Runner. And Gaeta -- holy cow, it was amazing how one person in such a "minimal" role could have so much power; he pretty much single-handedly allowed everything to take place, and redirect any suspicion for the hour or so they needed. I couldn't even believe that Starbuck didn't pick up on the fact that Gaeta was involved, she just tells Lee "I was talking to Gaeta when communications went down." SHE was frakking scary, and I honestly expected her to shoot the other three people in the hanger before she left.

I love that fact that with the series ending the gloves are off and we can not expect anything (its just like moment in Thrones where they kill Eddard). I can not wait until next week.