LotusPwn3r said:

Ba-dum tish!

Right lads, I was thinking how would I start SSU army and here is my list (300 points limit):

1. Yakov - unfortunately almost a MUST HAVE choice in SSU, allows you to strike first before enemy

2. Fakyeli - decent choice, Yakov gonna join them.

3. 2x Snipers - they will try to pick out enemy specialist from units.

4. Rifle Squad - I'm not great fun of them but I think they are better than Battle Squad)

5. Nastasia - good dakka-dakka walker with good range

6. Natasha - grenade weapon with All In One? Oh yeah…

7. 2x Burner - they will try to inflict as much damage as possible before shot down and allow to rest of the army reach the enemy.

300/300

I'm kind of afraid if there is enough anti-tank punch here but looks solid for SSU standards.

daniello_s said:

Yeah… i believe you have not played them.

The SSU does not have a lot of range for any of it's units, be it infantry or walkers. However, they are the only faction that have adequate transports. You HAVE to play that to your advantage and you definitely need to take that into account.

The Frontoviki and the Ohotniki can both be dropped smack down in the middle of a fray with the troop transport, making their lack of range a side note. I have seen an allied player's plan completely crumble when some Chinese volunteers landed right next to their BBQ squad with Bazooka Joe attached…

The BBQ squad fled into a building rather than face the volunteers. They were stronger than the Chinese, but if they stayed there to fight them, they would've had to face what was left of them PLUS the transport itself which would have plowed through them.
There was no point in risking about 50 points of troops (BBQ + Joe) to fight the 12 points (from memory) chineese volunteers…

The SSU infantry currently don't have any problem, even against most armour 3.
They DO have a problem in the anti-walker department. They really need the Gunship to stand a chance against the axis and allies heavies and the airborne walker transport (and it's walker).
The Gunships are going to be very difficult for the allies and the axis. The SSU artillery is going to be the best one there is among all three factions: strong firepower and no reload from what i've seen.

As it is *right now* the SSU can fight a good match against a core set's axis or allies. It's going to be much tougher against a customized army.

deedob said:

If the Allied player was so kind enough to outstreched his troops without dealing with chopper first then that his problem.

Any smart player would destroy chopper first as it is still godd dakka-platform and can damage a lot any infantry unit without a doubt.

deedob said:

I hope the reverse the ruling, but the FFG rules guys has stated that the Nikita does have the reload since it is an artillery weapon.  (See the thread "Nikita nerfed" in the rules section of the forum.)

fhaugh said:

Officially yet or just from some guy saying some guy from FFG told him that?  Do I have to explain about "friend of a friend " for reliability of information?  Wait and see if the unit card has "RELOAD" on it or not.

I still want to see what the SSU are going to do about I3 models myself.  I'm hopeful because the transport chopper has "8 models" as its limit which points to a squad + hero of SSU i3.  Unfortunately we are at where I was afraid we would be after last Gencon if FFG didn't get off the stick with SSU.  IOW, a weak faction that has people tapping their toes waiting for the rest of the faction to drop and SSU struggling along at pre-Revised Core force levels.

Algesan said:

Well, we know the card doesn't have Reload on it. And we've had multiple confirmations that FFG says it doesn't need to have Reload printed on it, it needs to reload anyway because it's an Artillery weapon.

I was hoping that with the day 0 the SSU would be a fully playable army and FFG will release all boxes at one go.

Unfortunately FFG decided to get a bad habit of GW nad releases boxes in waves…

What's worse those boxes are more expensive than their Axis/Allied counterparts.

I think it will take at least about 6 months more for SSU to catch up with Axis/Allied forces.

Loophole Master said:

Loophole Master said:

The Steel Rain does not have to reload it's artillery.

daniello_s said:

What's left for the SSU to have "catched-up" really?

The Hero Pack,

The commissars,

The Gunship,

The walker Transport…

And that's it really. With those, the SSU are going to be "on par" with the other factions.
They are going to have 7 variations of walkers, 4 heroes (+ the 5 commissars), 2 transports, 4 gunships and tons of standard troopers.
Sure, they won't have armour "3", but that's not really a "lack" of something more than a difference in the factions (which is good). They won't have heavy armour "7" walkers, but their gunships definitely make up for that IMO.

The commissars are coming next week, maybe with another box with it… I expect that in a month, they will have released everything (if still going at the same rate as the rest of the SSU, that is a "wave" every two weeks.

My prediction: They want the SSU completly out before Gen Con, where they might announce the next big "wave" of Dust Tactics miniatures, with the next "operation" box (which might start the Vrill).