I sent Dust-tactics.com another email regarding the premium painted edition walkers.

I have not included the persons name who responded but this is the response I got, so for those of you who got these with cards id love to know how and where.

" The DTM 001 JAGDLUTHER and DTM 002 FURY of IVAN do not come with data card. It is due to the arrangement with FFG and these walking machines will not have data card included.

Regards"

Thats what I got told., an arrangment with FFG, Oh ???

I don't know what to say.  The 1/48 kit clearly states that the data card will be included.  It is ridiculous to sell the walkers, premium or kits, without the data cards.  You do need to mention the name of the person involved.  It makes no sense why all others get them and you the only one not.  If there is indeed an arrangement, ask FFG for the cards then. 

It makes sense from a buisness stand point I suppose.  In essense those are game pieces for a FFG board game.  I can see how they would want some control over any extra pieces so that people can't come back and say the game is too unbalanced and not fun.  I would guess that they will be availible with cards at some point, perphaps in the FFG store?

I completely disagree with you, Hanomag.  FFG is not the sole distributor of the game to the world.  Its market mainly focuses in North America.  It is why Dust-Tactics website is available so that other people around the world can order it.

Nivanti said:

I got a re-confirmed email from Dust-Tactics saying the same thing.  I am surprised that they change their mind without letting anyone know.  One possibility  is that the current stats for the two walkers are set more for collector's items instead of useful game play.  FFG may think about changing it.  Just my speculation.  I feel sorry for your misfortune.  I guess you'll have to wait until FFG officially release the products on their website.

This is very strange, without the card the model is useless in the game.  The item description is clearly making this sound like it is a playable piece but I did notice the line about the unit card being included has been removed from the premium edition version.

 Thank you Wildger.

I did email them back saying it sucked and basicly I dont think there will be many people spending $70 on what is now just a plastic ornament.

Oh well there loss :)

Nivanti said:

Based on one of the responses posted above, it doesn't seem like it was dust-tactics.com's decision.  It sounds like FFG came down on them for some reason.

As for what that reason is, it remains a mystery to me.  I haven't had a chance to use either unit in battle yet (still waiting for my deluxe edition to arrive) but, based on the stats, neither unit is game breaking.  And, even if they were, why not let people use the current stat card until such time as a revised one is available?

Like I said, a mystery.

I didn't mean to sound as though I agree with FFG, but the discrepancy sounds like a buissness decision for FFG.  While FFG is not the sole distributor of the game I thought they were the only publisher.  I would think then, that they would have a significant say in the matter of new game peices.  If I'm going to invest in and put my name on someone elses game, I'm going to be strict about the designers putting out pieces that I may feel alter said game.   If someone has a better theory I'm all for it.   I could be dead wrong though....just looking for method within the maddness.

The only think holding me back from getting them is this card issue.  I hope the resolve it or AT LEAST tell us what the deal is.

I ordered two deluxe edition Jagdluther and two deluxe edition Fury of Ivan sets. All arrived a few weeks ago... One of my Jagdluther's was missing the card. I emailed dust-tactics.com and they sent a new card out, I just got it today. So they gave me the missing one.

I scanned them in and they are now online in the gallery at boardgamegeek.com for anyone who wants to print one, you can head over there and get a copy.

D.

 Yes Hanomag I can see your point. 

So you got cards, what are these people on??? saying no then doing what they said no too. 

For the gamble and pissing around i think i'll just buy an airbrush and paint the kits up just as well if not better myself.

Pfffff its knocked my confidence it buying from them unless they sort there act out.

apprently , FFG has sole distributorship for north america . DT.com cant even sponsor or support charity events because it would violate the contract with FFG role as sole distributor and promoter of the game in north america . sadly FFG isnt the easiist to get answers or replies from :(

the one reply i got from FFG sounded like it was written by a lawyer as to why they couldnt answer my questions .

my guess would be that either the 2 units are part of the 5 preset expansions planned , or that because the rules would make them part of the game , FFG wont allow the violation .

Nivanti said:

it could be that they sent them because he bought them before FFG clamped down on DT.com so they sent them out with that as the justification .

 Thanks for that.

FFG I ask you not to be too anal with games, remember the the people who buy your games!!!

Thank you

I got the Jagdluthor kit from www.dust-tactics.com.  It came with the card.  I think FFG just does the distribution and they can only work with what they get from Paolo Parente's company.  The Dust website is rarely updated and I think a few things get lost in translation so...yeah, I guess it's up to the customers to work things out on forums like this and boardgamegeek.com.