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Any 40k RPGs that allow aliens as PCs?
Published on 02 April 2010 - 15:16:25

I have not played any of the 40k rpgs, but from what I've read, the characters are all human. Are there any non-human pc's for 40k rpgs?

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Reply #1 | Published on 02 April 2010 - 14:52:22

Not yet, but fanmade material for Abhumans, Orks, Tau, Kroot and Eldar does exist.

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Reply #2 | Published on 03 April 2010 - 07:24:20

I probably wouldn't expect Xenos PCs in a game about the Deathwatch, the militant arm of the Ordo Xenos, who's duty it is to purge the alien.

I'd look to future supplements for Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader for that sort of stuff, since the only times Xenos are seen in human company with anything resembling regularity is when they are working with an Inquisitor, or with a Rogue Trader.

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Reply #3 | Published on 03 April 2010 - 13:43:17

I would think the only game  would be Rouge Trader were a PC could possibly play something other then a human and get away with it.  (Besides Orgens and rattlings/sub human species).  I mean, it immediatly means part of the party will be wanting to kill the other and that the xenos would have alot of special abilities and traits that could do a party wipe.

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Reply #4 | Published on 03 April 2010 - 16:20:02

Ross and the others have stated that they acknowledge that this is a popular question/topic on the forums.  Whether or not they actually do anything about it remains to be seen.  But yes, in the meantime there is some decent fan material floating around.

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Reply #5 | Published on 03 April 2010 - 19:46:41

sepayne7l said:

 

I have not played any of the 40k rpgs, but from what I've read, the characters are all human. Are there any non-human pc's for 40k rpgs?

 

 

What you have to remember/understand is that the human society of the 40k universe is radically, violently xenophobic. They believe without reservation that non-humans are evil and should be killed on sight. Anyone who disagrees with that belief (and there are such people) are labeled as heretics and criminals and are likewise considered evil and to be killed.

So, really, you can't play non-humans in 40k rpgs and be playing in the Imperial society. Rogue Traders, who operate outside of the Imperium and do, sometimes, have non-violent contact with aliens are about the only place it might be possible... but I frankly find it unlikely that GW would allow it in an official product. They seem to take the general line that the Imperium's xenophobia is "correct" and more or less disallow non-human protagonists.

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Reply #6 | Published on 04 April 2010 - 17:53:18
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There have been some hints that there may be a RT supplement for playing xenos. At the moment we haven't really seen much in the way of releases for RT, so it's certainly possible.

Disclaimer: The views expressed in this post are my own. I do not speak for FFG in any capacity, officialotherwise. To be honest they don't really tell me much about anything, so you can assume I don't know squat.

 

I mean diddly. I don't know diddly. I did not mention squats. Squats are not making a comeback.

 

Unless they are. I really don't know!!! Seriously. Though squats were cool. Pity they all got eaten by the 'nids. Or did they?

Reply #7 | Published on 06 April 2010 - 03:54:49

LuciusT said:

but I frankly find it unlikely that GW would allow it in an official product. They seem to take the general line that the Imperium's xenophobia is "correct" and more or less disallow non-human protagonists.

Given that GW allowed you to play a Tau Firewarrior in a computer game, I do not think that the company has a stance against playing Xenos.  Believe me, GW is more likely to allow something if it encourages sales of its miniature range.

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Reply #8 | Published on 06 April 2010 - 04:23:28

Wilfred Owen said:

LuciusT said:

but I frankly find it unlikely that GW would allow it in an official product. They seem to take the general line that the Imperium's xenophobia is "correct" and more or less disallow non-human protagonists.

 

Given that GW allowed you to play a Tau Firewarrior in a computer game, I do not think that the company has a stance against playing Xenos.  Believe me, GW is more likely to allow something if it encourages sales of its miniature range.

And the fact that there are a bunch of Xenos army lines they happily sell to anyone who wants to betray humanity...

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Reply #9 | Published on 06 April 2010 - 05:31:00

Atheosis said:

Wilfred Owen said:

 

LuciusT said:

but I frankly find it unlikely that GW would allow it in an official product. They seem to take the general line that the Imperium's xenophobia is "correct" and more or less disallow non-human protagonists.

 

Given that GW allowed you to play a Tau Firewarrior in a computer game, I do not think that the company has a stance against playing Xenos.  Believe me, GW is more likely to allow something if it encourages sales of its miniature range.

 

 

And the fact that there are a bunch of Xenos army lines they happily sell to anyone who wants to betray humanity...

 

 I long ago betrayed humanity by consorting with the Eldar.  Our superiors in every way. 

Futility

Move him into the sun
Gently its touch awoke him once,
At home, whispering of fields unsown.
Always it woke him, even in France,
Until this morningthis snow.
If anything might rouse him now
The kind old sun will know.

- Wilfred Owen

Reply #10 | Published on 06 April 2010 - 08:29:18

Wilfred Owen said:

 I long ago betrayed humanity by consorting with the Eldar.  Our superiors in every way. 

Report your heresy to the nearest Commissar at once!

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Reply #11 | Published on 07 April 2010 - 02:09:34

Why the hell does everybody forget that Eldar rangers or pirates are playable in the Inquisitor game that is released by GW themselves? In the party of an inquisitor. Sure, they made a long article of how you never should mix Space Marines and aliens,  but in the history of 40k there was enough the enemy of my enemy is my friending.

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Reply #12 | Published on 08 April 2010 - 07:24:50

As said the imperium's xenophbic stance is hard to overcome and that means mixing humans and aliens is difficult. the best way to deal with this in a RPG setting would probably be to play all aliens or all human.

They have done something like that in the past for Warhammer Fantasy roleplay for the Skaven.

@Mjoelnir Cooperation was strained at best. There has been and probably always will be distrust and outright hostility towards aliens. Also the cooperation was only one a case by case base. It never was regular. When cooperation occured it was not the inquisition that started it. As there is a Ordo Xenos I doubt all inquisitors are wary when they have to deal with xenos. You do not want to get another inquisitor too interested in your actions.

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Reply #13 | Published on 08 April 2010 - 12:34:49
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 Personally, I would like to have a little Eldar splatbook.  It doesn't have to be linked specifically to any of the three games, DH, RT, or DW.  Just give some stuff on their culture and all their profession/lifepath stuff.  A hundred, hundred and fifty, two hundred pages, whatever.

I'd definitely want any such book to spend some time focusing on how wildly alien the Eldar are, to get away from the humans-with-funny-ears problem, but it might be neat to have a Rogue Trader crew with an Eldar PC, or have one along on a Deathwatch mission (Help the humans get in fights with Orks and Chaos?  I don't see the downside.)

I can see how it would be a tough product to make, though, and doubtless FFG has other higher priorities.

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Reply #14 | Published on 08 April 2010 - 16:05:57
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Actually, the Imperium and certain Eldar Craftworlds get along just fine. Sometimes.

I remember reading somewhere about there actually being Eldar citizens in the Imperium. Rare, but not impossible.

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Reply #15 | Published on 09 April 2010 - 02:41:02

The Wyzard said:

 Personally, I would like to have a little Eldar splatbook.  It doesn't have to be linked specifically to any of the three games, DH, RT, or DW.  Just give some stuff on their culture and all their profession/lifepath stuff.  A hundred, hundred and fifty, two hundred pages, whatever.

I'd definitely want any such book to spend some time focusing on how wildly alien the Eldar are, to get away from the humans-with-funny-ears problem, but it might be neat to have a Rogue Trader crew with an Eldar PC, or have one along on a Deathwatch mission (Help the humans get in fights with Orks and Chaos?  I don't see the downside.)

I can see how it would be a tough product to make, though, and doubtless FFG has other higher priorities.

 

I'd pay anything for a book like that.  I hope FFG reads your post!

Futility

Move him into the sun
Gently its touch awoke him once,
At home, whispering of fields unsown.
Always it woke him, even in France,
Until this morningthis snow.
If anything might rouse him now
The kind old sun will know.

- Wilfred Owen

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