Day3:www.youtube.com/watch

 Nothing doing for the drop in Nurgles bedpan that is wfrp.  Otherwise, it really shows the production power of FFG though doesnt it!

 Herr Arnulf, it would be foolish of us to be so falsely mislead that this line is lead by fans at all.  It's probably a punishment at FFG to have to head this line.  The dude didn't even know who graeme was?!?!?    

Well, thats it then. 

jh

Yeah its Jay Little, but i suspect that he has been working on the Star Wars RPG not WFRP.

Unfortunately with no real news on the Enemy Within and the limited use and relative rarity of the PODs, I think we can say that WFRP 3 is now firmly on the back burner, if not completely burnt out. Maybe Sunday will surprise us, but it all seems to be about board games, card games and the Star Wars RPG. They seem to be still supporting WH40K but I think that fantasy is now in the realms of the fanboys again.

I know FFG seem to have a policy of not talking to their customers on forums like this, but they really need to provide some direction here, otherwise more people are going to drift away and WFRP will drift back into the boondocks, forgotten about and unsupported by everybody except  the fans.

Sad thought!

Herr Arnulfe said:

Thanks Herr Arnulfe!

Well there you have it folks, Star Wars is the latest news for WFRP3.

That was all pretty quick wasn't it? Heh we didn't even get to stretch our legs to Bretonnia.

ragnar63 said:

I agree with you. I'm afraid WFRP is dead for FFG. No news in video of the 3rd day in Gencon (they only talk about Star Wars).

They are only launching new games (WH40K, Starwars, etc) but nothing new for WFRP, no news no indications about where the game will go… it is sad because the game could have given a lot of new material and ideas. I dont understand the policy of FFG. Maybe the sales were too low to maintain this line?

I think the only hope we have is to collaborate more between us to release new content. Maybe more implication in projects like Liber Fanatica or the Book of Elves (by Yepesnopes)… I know it's difficult, as many of us have little time but it's my only hope…

PD: by the way, who wants another game about Starwars? :D :D :D

This confimed what I was warried about. No new products, no annuncements no nothing. It' really looks like it is that what I suspected for a long time now - the line is near it's end or dead. It looks like The Enemy Within will be the last one for this edition. It's a sad day for us all. Daniel Lovet Clark is not so enthusiastic like Jay Little was. I miss JL as a leading designer. He always gived us so many news and hints for what's comming. And now we are getting nothing. The same goes for other Warhammer Fantasy titles - W:I is also not so popular like it was and Chaos In The Old World is colsed. It will be once more a hard time for all Warhammer Fantasy fans out there. If You want my opinion it looks like FFG will not continue the licence and will throw it away. They have now Star Wars so why having to pay GW.

It looks like I will put this one on my shelf or sell it all and start playing more other games like Descent 2nd ed. and I will think of buying me the Edge Of The Empire for Star Wars. Maybe that one will not end so soon.

Herr Arnulfe said:

On the other hand I like this approach as it gives you more options. But on the other hand I can see that this cannot be good. The antagonist is the mirror of the protagonist and thus creates the whole story. If the opponent can be "almost anyone" it takes a lot away from the story.

Beren Eoath said:

I'd feel a bit fleeced by FFG if they discontinue and wouldn't be inclined to spend more money on them.  I can see why they would move to star wars and I wish them luck, but…

I'll continue to play my campaigns out though.  I enjoy wfrp3, but it's hard to support something that won't have continuing support. 

As I've always maintained, if they gave a shit, they'd participate on their forums..ESPECIALLY roleplay forums.

So 40k would probably be dropped too in favor of S.W. As you guys note, why would they want to pay the G.W. license if they have something that really could be a cash cow (if people suddenly manage to forget the other two recent versions of the RPG).  I think they've got their work cut out for themselves overcoming that fact.  IF anybody can sell it, ffg can though.

[edit: on a related topic:   Adventures and Scenarios are what make ROLEplaying games memorable.  FFG's great at putting out rules, but they don't put much emphasis on campaigns and scenarios (or they would do what Paizo does).  Putting out another set of supplemental Star Wars sandbox rulebooks and world guides isn't going to help their cause.  Just like THE ONE RING, initial interest died off quickly because they had NO SCENARIOS TO PLAY.]

So, what games and companies are you guys going to cultivate for the "end of days?"  I'm thinking The One Ring (now that they have scenarios). Although pathfinder is popular (and very little work for the GM because they have so many campaigns), I hate the system.  It's archaic and number-crunchy.   Savage Worlds has such a plain rule-set and no direction (other than Deadlands).  I really didn't care for Arcanis at all.  Other suggestions for IN PRINT AND SUPPORTED RPGs that can be "in the waiting" for when FFG dumps the license?

jh

This is all really sad.

If FFG had been really after our money they could easily have done with WFRP what they have done with the WH40KRPG. I mean how much new stuff  have you seen for Dark Heresy recently?

Why didn't FFG produce a High Elf box set so that you could play High Elves in Ulthuan with all the different kingdoms there and the Druchii and the cytherai as the main enemies. That way you could have a seperate box for High magic etc. All this could be used with the main Old Kingdom rules, but High Elves are rare there. Why not use them in their natural setting.

Likewise they could have produced a Sartosa boxed set, with rules for ship combat and combat on ships as well as all the different maritime occupations. Detail on Sartosa would have been great and they could have expanded it to include the cities of Tilea like Miragliano and Luccini. Miragliano could have had new cards and rules for assassins and poisons, while Luccini could have emphacised the cult of Morr with more spells for dreams etc.

Finally they could have produced a boxed set for playing Skaven, like Children of the Horned Rat in the 2nd edition. New careers, new social system, new magic based around the undercity of Altdorf, Nuln or Skavenblight.

All that seems to be missing is the vision. I may be doing them a disservice but I don't think many of FFG are real fans of WFRP and understand the possibilities of the mythos.

FFG have got two more years to go on their license from GW. I suspect they will concentrate on WH40KRPG and Star Wars as the sci fi setting is not as choked as the fantasy with Pathfinder and D & D.

All the best,

RS

 Hey guys. I hope you noticed that Liber Fanatica 9 was just released. 

Well it looks like we will have to take up the slack at Liber Fanatica

But not from ffg.

ragnar63 said:

Jay missed some time after his heart attack last year, then designed the X-Wing minis game. Presumably he was also involved in Edge of the Empire development too. I only glimpsed him briefly in the crowd today while he was running an EotE demo, so we didn't have a chance to talk.

I always understood that Daniel Lovat Clark was more of a system designer than a line manager anyway (someone else edited TEW3e). Apparently Ross Watson is no longer line manager for the 40K RPGs either (he was a special guest at the seminar, not a presenter).
 

 Couple of things.

Jay Little did exude enthusiasm in the video of him talking about system and it is a shame if that does not come from current speakers for the line, whether it was heart-felt or good sales.

They willl generally go where the money is, in terms of return on effort.  If the WFRP line does not generate enough sales, it will whither.

But, I would not get too depressed just yet.  At least one poster has said there are groups play testing stuff under non-disclosure agreements.  My own experience of communications in large organizations is that a bizarre logic leads to saying less than could be said.  There is the message of the day, in this case immediate releases that are to be promoted, and saying anything else is seen as detracting from it.   This really should not be applied in a multiple-line field and FFG really should understand that keeping interest and generating new sales means putting out more hints of what is to come even if things are 6 or 12 months off.  For example, launching the Enemy Within campaign should be like a relaunch of whole system to attract new players.

I do love the system and would try to keep playing despite lack of official support.  There are indeed so many key things missing such as more elf material, and the Empire's next door neighbours that fans should share theIr approaches to.

Whether Fantasy Flight Games releases another expansion or not is of little consequence. Liber Fanatica has been safeguarding Warhammer for quite some time now.

And I heard about this little retroclone/loveletter to Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay called ZWEIHÄNDER Grim & Perilous. ;)

http://www.grimandperilous.com

valvorik said:

One thing Daniel did say was that FFG's new policy is to not announce future products very far in advance, in order to avoid getting peoples' hopes up in case it doesn't pan out.