lordmalachdrim said:

To be honest, I find these items redundant.  RPGs have worked just as books with players having character sheets, so it appears that 3E is relying on something which is not necessary.  It seems a gimmick.

I don't find the reasoning that in the current age of the MMO and other video games that roleplaying has to evolve.  Dark Heresy just won several awards and is selling well, same for D&D 4E.  If people are going to prefer to load up a game and receive instant gratification having 3E presented this new way is not going to pull them away from PCs or consoles.  Or other boardgames for that matter.

Third, the comment that was made by the developer about bringing the story back to gaming (I'm probably in error here, as I am not sure exactly if that is correct), or the focus back to stories, is odd.  I do not believe that there has ever been an issue with that.

So it's a week later. What do you think about the game now?  My answer is that I did not like the news, then became interested, and now I am not looking forward to 3E again.

At a non-gaming get-together last night I whipped out the old laptop and let my friends (players) watch the seminar vids and read the release notes. Other than stating "No, it's not a boardgame" four times, I kept mum, presenting a neutral, smiling attitude.

It was 0-7 against.

It won't detail their multiple (mild) objections as they were just variations of what has been written in this forum and on StS. The pricetag brought out the most, wtf! reactions.

I will say that inwardly I was pleased they agreed with me (without knowing my position) the game would slow down even further using the new (socket/dice) system.

It is highly improbably I will be purchasing a (new) copy of this edition.

I have gone from initially iffy, to excited, and now to a mix of disappointed and outraged. What I was able to stomach watching of the video seminar makes me very, very glad I still have my 2e books. I have no issues with the mechanics--at least, none that I am aware of. I didn't get that far. I heard "We're micro-managing the setting so you have to play a certain way, butchering the whole point of Athel Loren, and pretending Dwarfs only come from one place." Then I turned off the video.

Well, I've had 24 hours or so to consider this. Talked to a friend about it. He was shocked, and unhappy as well.  But his parting comment was like mine - "Oh well, we played 1e for years without support, this won't be any different for 2e."

He also reminded me that we bought an RPG based on dice w/ symbols years ago  (neither of us could remember the name, though) , tried it once, didn't like the stupid dice,  threw it out.  That system couldn't have cost more than $20. After our experience with that, no way either of us are willing to shell out $100 to try out  another one.

I'm very disappointed overall.

If the game was still running by BI, I don't think they would have close the line at this stage (no point to say: "they have closed it even earlier").  I feel WFRP2 could have been developed a bit more.

Concerning the 3ed, I don't like the heroic turn out the game seem to take.  Is there still going to have places for career such as the Bonepicker and the Dung Collector?  After watching the videos, I doubt this "trashy" aspect will be as present as in WFRP2.

Like with D&D 4th, in this case, I think i'll wait to get WFRP4 or 5 before switching from one system to another.  The industry seem to consider one line obsolete after 5 years or so.  They seem to have no commitment toward a line and the players who have bought it.

The addition of the Wood Elf is great, but it could have been done as well in WFRP2 with a sourcebook dedicated to them.

If there's no Dung Collector, I'll just make one.  The new system appears more granular and narrative oriented than the old one and I think I'll be happy to work with whatever aspects I don't like.

During most of the video I was pretty neutral, actually liked the idea of having a "party character", but when he started showing and explaining the dice pool it was "game over". No way that I am going to play with that.

BR Juergen

Having watched the webinars pushed me toward the "No" camp.  Primarily the dice pools that did it.  I'll still wait until it is actually released to make a final decision on it, but based on what I know now it is more likely than not I will not buy the game.  I agree with another post elsewhere in this forum that they should have had different people work on this. 

If the game was still running by BI, I don't think they would have close the line at this stage (no point to say: "they have closed it even earlier").  I feel WFRP2 could have been developed a bit more.

I think that if BI were still running the show, we would have seen the third edition next year instead of this one. The new edition would not have been anything like 3E though, probably closer to Dark Heresy.

Concerning the 3ed, I don't like the heroic turn out the game seem to take.  Is there still going to have places for career such as the Bonepicker and the Dung Collector?  After watching the videos, I doubt this "trashy" aspect will be as present as in WFRP2.

I think people are making too much of the 'heroic' thing. Jay mentioned several times that there are plenty of characters who have heroism thrust upon them. Basically he was saying that these people are PCs, so weird shit happens to them. This has been the case since v1. In fact that was the entire point of Fate Points - you may be scum, but you are going to survive long enough to have weird shit happen to you. I don't know about the Bonepicker, but the Rat Catcher career will be in the Adventurers Toolkit, so I'm sure there'll be planty of scum-of-the-earth careers.

Like with D&D 4th, in this case, I think i'll wait to get WFRP4 or 5 before switching from one system to another.  The industry seem to consider one line obsolete after 5 years or so.  They seem to have no commitment toward a line and the players who have bought it.

Correct. Once a game is no longer bringing in enough money to justify further investment in it, the company moves on. This typically means a new or revised edition every 4-6 years.

macd21 said:

But how do they compare with other characters in the world? In WHFRP you could always expect to meet someone on the street who was better at you than things you assumed you were pretty good at.

Think about it, in D&D you can walk into a bar and hand everyone's ass to them. In WHFRP, the barkeep is more advanced than you and can show you by how much the painful way.

We are slightly worried that the new characters will stand slightly too high above their fellow man.

At least I think we are, right guys????

Crazy Aido said:

That's one issue.  Although such a thing can be house-ruled, it is sometimes more difficult to do it when the rest of the game is balanced around the assumption of more powerful characters.  I like the idea that in Warhammer FRPG the characters aren't so much a cut above.  They are rather ordinary but have the opportunity to transform themselves into hero (or to die ignominiously).  It will be interesting to see just how far 'above' ordinary characters are when they first start out in the new edition.  

I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I don't think PCs will be better than normal people (except possibly for fortune points). I think it's been confirmed that we'll have Rat Catchers, Apprentice Wizards and Coachman careers - hardly the most powerful examples of the warhammer world. Sure, there'll be wardancer and swordmaster careers - just as there were veteran and champion careers for 2E.

As Mr. Little said in at Gen Con, the ratcatcher will be in the Adventurer's Toolkit, together with other 9 careers.

The fact is that we still do not know what the career progression will be... will we have basic careers and advanced careers? will there be multiple "levels" for every career?

It seems that you can jump from one to another, as Mr. Little explained somewhere (can't remember if it was in the gen con videos or where) based on you present career's "keywords" but it reamains to be seen how this will be handled...

Also it seems characteristic will go from the 100 basis to 10 basis, in relation to the dice system...

I'm still very curious about this game, but some things sound a little strange to me...

As a lot of ppl said... Wait and see! ;)

Dreary_Angel said:

That's the point!

First I was shocked (What have they (FFG) done to my game) and I was disappointed because of the fear, that there won't be any new material on things not covered yet so soon. But after reading the many posts, posting opinions and questions myself and reading the answers I now calm down. And if the game does nothing else but bringing new aspects to my manner of roleplaying.

And I must say, that I'm a lucky one. My GM will definitely be one of the first buying the box when it is out. So I will have a look at it very soon!!

Dreary_Angel said:

Take a look at the Trollslayer career card. One of the keywords is "basic". I suppose this means there will be basic and advenced careers.