Well, it's better than Doom & Gloom & Nerdrage & Smartassery...
You have a cool roommate. Maybe he can send it to Irwin over at the wfmu.org...

For the record,
I still feel that v1 rulebook is the best RPG book. It is my Pet Sounds of the RPG world. But you know what? Lily (that's how I call my v1 rulebook) is safe and sound on my shelve. She is not going anywhere and I'll still be able to talk about Warhammer world with both v2 and v3 and WFB lovers.

This differation is good for all of us in the long run. Look at the 4e over there in D&D world. Without it we wouldn't have OSR and Pathfinder and whole bunch of other things. Maybe something similar happens now with the WFRP 3e. As chairman Mao said 'Let a hundred flowers blossom'!
I would be more afraid if MadAlfred said that he won't write for the WFRP no more. That would terrify me :)

I just hope that 3e does not have anything to do with Warpstone shutting down...

Jacques el arcabucero said:

yes you are right.

in another way it should be hard to make a middle age inspired game in USA ... you should have not so many sword and chivarlry but more indians

To be honest WHFRP was and is very popular in France. we like the low fantasy setting (specialy the V1, less the V2) and we can see outside in our home towns setting that are very close to middle ages (my house was build in 1784, it is not so old compare with other houses).

That's why we do not like so much hight fantasy. (ok 'we' is me)

So inspiring was Warhammer for us that one french autors named 'croc' made a game around thief in an univers not so far from warhammer (nightprowler !! it was a must)

Pierre

jadrax said:

And the World of Darkness, in it's entirity, is the best selling RPG currently. White Wolf has a larger part of the RPG industry than even WotC now.

So yea, it is hard to compare them, but given the popularity of Games Workshop games, you'd have thought there would be more WFRP fans. DH sold well enough! (what with it being in the top 5 best selling RPGs of last year).

This bit about nWoD outselling D&D is really interesting. You have some hard data on that? Link or something?

MILLANDSON said:

Well, the last data I saw on sales were that a few of the nWoD games were in the top 10 RPG sales from last year, which, when combined, would mean they had more sales than WotC. I'll see if I can find the link to the data for you.

EDIT: Ahhh, I think you misunderstood me. I meant sales of last year, rather than in their entirity. Obviously WotC sell more in total (dunno how though, never been interested in DnD, mainly due to the system). Sorry for any confusion.

But yea, White Wolf isn't doing too bad in total market share at the moment either. Last estimate I saw was of about 30% of the market was White Wolf, and around 40-50% WotC, but then the number of people who play nWoD games was around 40%, and DnD had 60% of RPers playing it (of course, players could pick multiple options, so I'm not suggesting no one plays anything else )

I'll have a look for some hard and fast figures for you on that though, nothing recent seems to come up on google... but yea, White Wolf, especially after their deal with CCP, are coming to be almost equals, in the RPG market, of WotC.

Autumn 2008

Winter 2008

MILLANDSON said:

thnx. if you find those links. please post them.

jadrax said:

heh...bravo...your google-fu is strong

Cheers for those!

The last figures I saw were for 2007-2008, so yea, they might have changed in that time. Never knew that site existed, to be fair

Shame it doesn't have any hard numbers on it though (at least, none that I could see). Have any idea where they might be?

But it seems that DH is kicking some serious ass. I bet that WFRP v2 also did when it was first published.

Can someone provide some hard data on that (Cat rubs his magic lamp and makes a wish)

Emirikol said:

I ran 3 sessions of WFRP at Gencon '07 when BI was supporting con play with scenarios, swag etc. The last 2 years I haven't bothered, because writing a good con scenario takes time, and I do enough writing already. When you're already spending $1200+ for the weekend, you have to be a WFRP Crusader to write a scenario and then spend most of Gencon running games for tired and distracted strangers in a loud, crowded room. All for no return except maybe the satisfaction of converting someone to the cult of WFRP (which I could just as easily do without getting on a plane).

One comment about the popularity of v2 in the states, it never got advertised for crap around here. I'd never even heard of warhammer till the core book from v2 caught my eye one day while I was browsing in a book store. I took one look at the dwarf with an orange mohawk, snorted, and moved on with life.

It took several times coming back to pick up the book and page through it, I didn't actually buy it till nearly a year later. I think a good part of the reason it wasn't that popular in the states is that casual gamers like me had never heard of it. Most of my Wod and DnD buddies liked WFRP a lot once they were introduced to it.