Emirikol said:

My players don't buy me stuff, but I think it's awesome that yours do. In the end though I think WFRP3 is really going to be a GM's purchase. For what they pay for it, the character sheets and everything will stay in the box, with the GM. Players who spill soda on their character-keepers will find out pretty quickly the cost of the Adventurer's Toolkit -- which looks like it's pretty much a must-buy if it contains new careers.

That $100 price tag is right at the breaking point, I think. It's just high enough to make you hesitate, even if you're like me and really interested in it. It's about $30 higher than most RPGers would be willing to pay for their favoritest game, even at a stretch.

It'll be interesting. In reality I think most of us will be clever enough to get it for less than sticker price.

This double posting brought to you by FCKeditor.

Bought Ptolus on Amazon.ca for 80$CAD, hardly 120$US. Worth any penny of it. Indepth and amazing setting.

As told by the previous poster, Ptolus is an entirely different thing than WFRP3. I already knew the system and you could flip its pages (I did that in a store just to make sure it was top-notch quality).

Here, we are just making a leap in the dark for an hefty price.

Honestly, I guess there are a lot of people like me who might be interested by the game, but are turnoff by the price. I hope FFG will disclose free material/videos/whatever to entice us buying it.

GreyLord said:

What is stupid about buying a GM a game you would like him to run? Ever buy someone else a movie ticket? Same thing, you are covering someone elses cost to enhance your entertainment experience. I enjoy going to the movies with someone else whether a date or a just a friend and if I ask them to go I pay. If I want to play (not GM but play) a game that my group is not currently playing buying the corebook for our main GM is a damn good idea.

It depends on who you game with I guess. The core of my gaming group has been together for 20 years, the new guy has been with us for at least five (and I've known him from before I met the others). We are friends not just the guys that show up at the gaming store (though that is how we got our start). So to me buying a friend that I have spent thousands of hours with over the years a gift just doesen't seem that stupid. Thinking about it here I think it is shameful that I haven't bought these guys more things over the years.

Good point, I personally don't care if it cost $50. I would not buy it since it is way off target. And I don't understand why FFG not just made some good tools to help playing WFRP 2nd Ed?

I mean they have a quality set of core 2nd Ed rules, and could expanded on that and sold a lot of extra cards and other plastic stuff to make the game easier and more appealing for new comers. A lot of possibilites for selling merchandice also...

John Tansen said:

I never saw Ptolus on a game shop shelf, myself. I think most of those who bought it preordered it, or got it over Internet. There were plenty of previews as well, which I hope FFG will be doing for WFRPv3.

One of the best purchases I've made. It is massive and cool.

/M

One thing to remember about Ptolus: it is expensive to produce a book of that quality. But it is at the same time even more expensive to produce a box set with a lot of content, such as Descent, Arkham Horror or WFRPv3.

I think the 100 dollar price tag is high, but I'm really not surprised considering the format and contents. These things cost a lot to produce.

/M

Emirikol said:

Consider me well and truly ..... Amazed.

(Sorry about swearing earlier I don't normally and almost never when I'm typing, but I was just so shocked by the suggestion that Players would actually put some money into the game. It's just such an alien concept, I agree it would be great but I don't think I have ever met Players that would chip in.)

Kriegtanzer said:

It may well be the GM-abundant environment I live and game in, but when people want to try out a game, they typically run it themselves rather than buying it for a local GM of choice.

Kriegtanzer said:

Sure. Unless it's a birthday or other special occasion, I get paid back the cost of it afterwards though, and if someone else books the tickets, I'll pay them back when I get there in much the same manner. Quite frankly, I arrange trips to the cinema far too often to be paying for everyone.

While your situation does sound enviable, I don't think you should expect it to be anything like a standard approach to the situation.

Foolishboy said:

I'm in the same situation. I generally buy most RPGS that I want to run, but sometimes my players want to play something else, so they go out and buy it for me to run. I guess it's because I'm the GM 90% of the time, because I enjoy running games so they think it's worth it because I'm the one that puts so much effort into running games for them.

This also assumes that you're all good friends of several years too. I wouldn't expect people I played with at my FLGS (if I had one) to buy me stuff.

I didn't say it was standard, just that it wasn't stupid.  I objected to the idea that generosity (especially generosity that you directly benefit from by getting to play) was stupid and his players were idiots.  I bought the guy whose house we game at a wireless router, so those of us that use laptops can be online.  Was I stupid for giving him something that benefits myself and other gamers in our group?  A core game would have run the same amount as the router and if we have a good time playing it would not be a stupid investment.

The usual thing is for the person wanting to introduce a new game to run it, but I prefer to play.  We have one GM that runs 80% of the time, the rest of us make up the other 20% (I'm about 15% out of that 20%).  I think the idea of spending $20-40 and getting to play a game that I really want to play is not a stupid idea.  I have often spent that much on games that I never got played because I wanted to play and not run the system.  I think it would be a better value to give it away and get to play the game than have it sit on the shelf.  Definately not stupid.