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Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay
A Roleplaying game of perilous adventure!
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Impressive... and expensive!
Published on 12 August 2009 - 13:20:53
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Reply #16 | Published on 12 August 2009 - 18:29:11

 StS had a "lot" more to say:

http://forum.strike-to-stun.net/viewtopic.php?p=41142#41142

WFRP stuff

Reply #17 | Published on 12 August 2009 - 19:16:52
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100$ sound like bad joke, it's too expensive even for FFG smooth & shiny release.


Reply #18 | Published on 12 August 2009 - 19:38:00

overmind said:

100$ sound like bad joke, it's too expensive even for FFG smooth & shiny release.

Come on! The box will surely be so huge that 100$ is a cheap price. :D

WFRP stuff

Reply #19 | Published on 12 August 2009 - 19:41:12
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doc_cthulhu said:

overmind said:

 

100$ sound like bad joke, it's too expensive even for FFG smooth & shiny release.

 

 

Come on! The box will surely be so huge that 100$ is a cheap price. :D

 

I cant help feel, you will be paying more, for more tools, to reduce the freedome given to you by any single book for the previous editions.

But without seeing a copy of the rules, who knows.

'I Hate Mummies' - Logan, Son of Skalf.

Reply #20 | Published on 12 August 2009 - 19:43:38
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RebelDave said:

 

Too right!

 

100 bucks is what... 60 quid? Ouch!

 

 

To buy or not to buy? $100 that's not including delivery is it? Do I buy it and immediately start re-writting it?

Last month was my birthday, about once a month I help my dad run competitions and I always refuse to be paid, but at my birthday or christmas I always get so much better presents from my dad than my brothers (who never do anything for anyone) get. So I had a card with £500 inside last month, the money is untouched....

 

 

 

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Reply #21 | Published on 12 August 2009 - 19:44:10

I always thought RPG's in general a bit too vague for my taste... and you do need a group of avid players.

Now with this release, it may change, and for the better. A la Descent, you could store the group's stats conveniently in boxes, and don't have to rely on lists and refer to the rulebook all the time, which may help the roleplaying experience, as with less admin, there's more time to enjoy the inmersion in the world.

I'm excited, and though the price doesn't seem high content-wise, it's still a lot of money in one go. I'll wait and see more previews.

 

PS WOW! Is anyone else amazed at the rate FFG is churning out games lately? I'm impressed, and at the same time my credit card is trembling

Without Signature

Reply #22 | Published on 12 August 2009 - 20:32:53
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RebelDave said:

Too right!

 

100 bucks is what... 60 quid? Ouch!

Plus VAT in the UK - it's not a 'book' so it's not zero rated.

The BSG boardgame is RRP $49.95 in the US and £34.99 in the UK - so I'd guess at a £69.99 price point.

(A straight currency conversion at today's wholesale/money market prices has $100=£60.58 which is £69.68 with 15% VAT, and £71.18 with the 17.5% we're expecting from January)

Without Signature
Reply #23 | Published on 12 August 2009 - 21:08:41

I was already going to throw chunks of cash at FFG, what with Rogue Trader, Chaos in the Old World, BSG expansion and Radical's Handbook coming out this summer/fall... 100 bucks more or less is not that much of a difference :S 

Without Signature

Reply #24 | Published on 12 August 2009 - 21:40:45
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well i own every copy of all the first edition and second edition books with about .20 to 30 misc. multiples of various copies(suffice it to say i love warhammer fantasy), i also own all the warhammer quest pieces and all the descent stuff so i will definatly be picking this up regardless of the price, althought by the looks and the sounds of it my group and I will probably not drop 2nd edition to start playing this, i will pick it up just to own another piece of warhammer fantasy work, who knows if we really like it we will probably start playing it as well. Im  also waiting to see what this ratcatcher thing is all about.

 

"To live is to suffer, to survive is to find meaning in the suffering"

Reply #25 | Published on 13 August 2009 - 22:30:47

Well, as a gamer I'm sorely disappointed.  As a Game Store owner, I'm downright angry. 

The gamer in me is saying "Fancy quirky dice.  Great.  If I had a gripe with Descent, it would be the goofy dice.  I'm a big boy, I can add and subtract."  The Game Store owner in me says "Goodbye to anyone purchasing dice of their own in my store,  but I bet FFG's online store will have them"  Slick move guys, you already compete with the Brick and Mortar store so much by directing everyone to purchase online the product they'll want to use in my store, events and game nights that I can barely keep this charity of mine open.

This is not to mention the shameless reinvention of the wheel here.  This takes a smooth, well rounded system that we have effectively been using for decades and turns it into a clunky card-based pseudo-boardgame.  Do you remember the Saga System?  I do; even 14 or so years later because I still have the same two copies in the bargain bin... collecting dust as always, reminding me of the sucker's errand I went on to purchase them for the store.   I know that part of the design was with quashing internet rulebook downloads in mind, but the card-based maneuvers and "count the swords" dice smacks the roleplayer's creative edge, which the Warhammer FRP system so earnestly engaged, down to the same lame level as that other, now sad and defeated, roleplaying icon D&D. In an era where people are looking for distraction that they can afford on a budget, the fat $100 price tag is far from the mark.  This was a mistake, that the gamer in me won't be shelling out  for.

And $100?  Are you out of your minds?  I can barely talk a new player into trying a game at the $35 price point and I'm going to sell this how?  If the new edition was a new print, fully compatible with older material, with new art, advancing storyline, a reasonably error-free printing (so that we wouldn't have to be inundated in months of errata and contradictory "what was intended by this" definitions), then I'd be behind this product, both as a Gamer and a Game Store Owner.  I'm going to say that it will be likely joining the sad, sad ranks of "special order only products" that don't adorn my shelves.  More's the pity really.  I enjoyed selling 3-4 copies of the core rulebook  (and expansions out of number) without fail every week.  At the $100 point, you can hardly blame me for my caution or my disappointment.

What I propose is that you continue to print the classic Warhammer FRP system for the roleplaying community and feel free to print this as the  introduction to roleplay that it clearly is.  If you chop the price-tag down to $70, I'd imagine some of my boardgamers might try it.   I have never been so disappointed in Fantasy Flight Games as I am today.  If any Roleplayers are still looking for sourcebooks to complete their collection, look to Gatehouse Games.  We'll see what we can do for you.

Heresy Begets Retribution.  The New Edition of Warhammer is Heresy.

Reply #26 | Published on 13 August 2009 - 23:02:21

LuckyPiper73 said:

If any Roleplayers are still looking for sourcebooks to complete their collection, look to SHAMELESS PLUG

Dude, that's against the forum rules. And tacky.

Reply #27 | Published on 14 August 2009 - 08:16:16
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Though everything else he said made perfect sense, and was said much more eloquently than I've been managing so far.

Reply #28 | Published on 14 August 2009 - 13:20:53

I apologize for the plug, and I'll gladly recant that to "Look to your local Game Store". Fair enough. I'm aggravated, so you can imagine why I didn't think of it.
 

Heresy Begets Retribution.  The New Edition of Warhammer is Heresy.

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