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This a really fun discussion to read.
The debater's conflict seems largely over subjective vs. objective view points. One side clearly views each faction from a human-ocentric view and the other seems to be able to walk a kilometer in everyone's grav-boots!
I view Orks as a sort of internal satire of the Empire of Mankind. Clearly, Orks are on a Krusade (Waaaagh!) fer makin; da galaxy right and all Orky! Da strong prey on da weak, dere's lotsa' internal stompin', each boy does da job e's best at, dey's suspicious of smartz and no one doubts whether their cause is just. Cuz' green is da best! (Duh.)
I think that Chaos is the "worst" element. Chaos simply wants the galaxy to willingly (and happily) participate in an act of universal suicide. 'Not a healthy emotional state.
Let him who is with sin cast the first plasma bolt. - Warmaster Picklehauber
Warmaster Picklehauber said:
This a really fun discussion to read.
The debater's conflict seems largely over subjective vs. objective view points. One side clearly views each faction from a human-ocentric view and the other seems to be able to walk a kilometer in everyone's grav-boots!
I view Orks as a sort of internal satire of the Empire of Mankind. Clearly, Orks are on a Krusade (Waaaagh!) fer makin; da galaxy right and all Orky! Da strong prey on da weak, dere's lotsa' internal stompin', each boy does da job e's best at, dey's suspicious of smartz and no one doubts whether their cause is just. Cuz' green is da best! (Duh.)
I think that Chaos is the "worst" element. Chaos simply wants the galaxy to willingly (and happily) participate in an act of universal suicide. 'Not a healthy emotional state.
That's what I love best of Orks, really, that they are so apt to satirize the viewpoints of the other races. When put against their extremely simplistic but none the less effective "philosophy", the other races' overcomplications tend to come about as rather silly.
And I personally think that the Dark Eldar are the most evil thing in the Warhammer 40K universe because they are evil without context. When asked why they kill and destroy an Imperial would say "For the Emperor". An Eldar would say "Because you primitive fools would doom us all". An Ork would say "Cuz Orks iz made fer fightin' and winnin'". A Necron Lord would say "Because life is a disease and we're the only cure". A Tyranid would elocuently chomp your head clean off. A Chaos devotee would say "For the glory of Chaos and to topple the False Emperor" (among many, many other things, this is Chaos after all). A Tau would say "For the Greater Good". A Dark Eldar would say "Why not?".
Not the most destructive, but in my opinion the most evil.
JuankiMan said:
Just because he doesn't say, "Because I must if I am to survive," doesn't make it any less true. They take pleasure in it, and they can do it beyond what they need to survive (much as humans partake of food), but at the core they do it to preserve their existence.
HappyDaze said:
Just because he doesn't say, "Because I must if I am to survive," doesn't make it any less true. They take pleasure in it, and they can do it beyond what they need to survive (much as humans partake of food), but at the core they do it to preserve their existence.
I think you have the Dark Eldar backwards. Thieir depravity started with the Fall. When the Exodites left they dismissed them because it was easier and more pleasurable to do so. When the Craftworld Eldar tried to warn them of the impending Armaggedon they ignored them because it was easier and more pleasurable to do so. When the cataclysm hit the other Eldar devised ways to protect themselves against the fallout, but the Dark Eldar survivors rejected them because it was easier and more pleasurable to do so. And now, millennia later, they are like an Exarch forever stuck in their Path and they couldn't care less. They may even be beyond caring.
They don't do what they do because they must. They've been doing what they do for so long that now they must.
JuankiMan said:
They don't do what they do because they must. They've been doing what they do for so long that now they must.
I think you're being too hard on the DE while going to easy on the other races. Let's look at your 'suggested answers' for each of the other factions:
Humans: "For the Emperor" - how is that a 'not-evil' answer? They will slaughter billions out of blind devotion to doctrine. That makes it an evil doctrine.
Eldar: Screw "because you would doom us all", the Eldar will slaughter billions to save the life of a single Eldar…. or because a single human trespassed on a site of cultural significance to the Eldar, or because a single human insulted the wrong Eldar etc etc. The Eldar view humans as vermin. Again, they do this not out of a need to survive, but because they view the lives of other species as worthless.
Orks: they fight for fun. They destroy entire civilisations because they enjoy it. Yes, the desire to do so is encoded into their DNA, but that doesn't change the fact that they like blowing shit up, ripping people's arms off and crushing the weak underfoot.
The Necrons want to destroy all life in the galaxy. That isn't a context that changes their actions from evil to slightly-less-evil, it's just evil. You don't really get more pure evil than the Necrons.
Ditto the 'nids. They aren't beasts, they are a sentient hive-mind that has zero respect for the rights of any other species. The 'nid hive mind wants to destroy and consume all life in the galaxy. Again - pure evil.
Chaos: Here you need to differentiate between the Gods and their followers. The Gods are pure selfishness, consumed with their own desire to advance their own power. The followers vary in their motivations, but as they become more corrupt they become more unpleasant, becoming obsessed with advancing their own agenda (or that of their deities) before all other considerations (ironically becoming much like the fanatics of the Imperium).
The Tau: See the Imperium, just replace "Emperor" with "Greater Good".
When you get down to it all the factions are nasty. Arguing over who is the most evil is kind of pointless because all are horrible, all wipe out civilisations without remorse, inflict horrible suffering etc etc. That the DE enjoy inflicting pain doesn't really make them more or less evil than that of a race who inflicts the same pain without pleasure, one that slaughters their opponents in horrific fashion without mercy.
Disclaimer: The views expressed in this post are my own. I do not speak for FFG in any capacity, officialotherwise. To be honest they don't really tell me much about anything, so you can assume I don't know squat.
I mean diddly. I don't know diddly. I did not mention squats. Squats are not making a comeback.
Unless they are. I really don't know!!! Seriously. Though squats were cool. Pity they all got eaten by the 'nids. Or did they?
JuankiMan said:
HappyDaze said:
Just because he doesn't say, "Because I must if I am to survive," doesn't make it any less true. They take pleasure in it, and they can do it beyond what they need to survive (much as humans partake of food), but at the core they do it to preserve their existence.
I think you have the Dark Eldar backwards. Thieir depravity started with the Fall. When the Exodites left they dismissed them because it was easier and more pleasurable to do so. When the Craftworld Eldar tried to warn them of the impending Armaggedon they ignored them because it was easier and more pleasurable to do so. When the cataclysm hit the other Eldar devised ways to protect themselves against the fallout, but the Dark Eldar survivors rejected them because it was easier and more pleasurable to do so. And now, millennia later, they are like an Exarch forever stuck in their Path and they couldn't care less. They may even be beyond caring.
They don't do what they do because they must. They've been doing what they do for so long that now they must.
I don't have it backwards - I'm talking about how they are presented in the setting now, not how they got on that road. Look at your own last sentence - it's much the same as what I said. Since the Fall, they've had no other choice but to continue as they had been (possibly even dialed up a notch or two as well). Since pretty much everything covered in the WH40K Universe is set after the Fall, I feel that's the only meaningful context for discussing the Dark Eldar (which technically don't even exist until after the Fall).
macd21 said:
I think you're being too hard on the DE while going to easy on the other races. Let's look at your 'suggested answers' for each of the other factions:
Humans: "For the Emperor" - how is that a 'not-evil' answer? They will slaughter billions out of blind devotion to doctrine. That makes it an evil doctrine.
Eldar: Screw "because you would doom us all", the Eldar will slaughter billions to save the life of a single Eldar…. or because a single human trespassed on a site of cultural significance to the Eldar, or because a single human insulted the wrong Eldar etc etc. The Eldar view humans as vermin. Again, they do this not out of a need to survive, but because they view the lives of other species as worthless.
Orks: they fight for fun. They destroy entire civilisations because they enjoy it. Yes, the desire to do so is encoded into their DNA, but that doesn't change the fact that they like blowing shit up, ripping people's arms off and crushing the weak underfoot.
The Necrons want to destroy all life in the galaxy. That isn't a context that changes their actions from evil to slightly-less-evil, it's just evil. You don't really get more pure evil than the Necrons.
Ditto the 'nids. They aren't beasts, they are a sentient hive-mind that has zero respect for the rights of any other species. The 'nid hive mind wants to destroy and consume all life in the galaxy. Again - pure evil.
Chaos: Here you need to differentiate between the Gods and their followers. The Gods are pure selfishness, consumed with their own desire to advance their own power. The followers vary in their motivations, but as they become more corrupt they become more unpleasant, becoming obsessed with advancing their own agenda (or that of their deities) before all other considerations (ironically becoming much like the fanatics of the Imperium).
The Tau: See the Imperium, just replace "Emperor" with "Greater Good".
When you get down to it all the factions are nasty. Arguing over who is the most evil is kind of pointless because all are horrible, all wipe out civilisations without remorse, inflict horrible suffering etc etc. That the DE enjoy inflicting pain doesn't really make them more or less evil than that of a race who inflicts the same pain without pleasure, one that slaughters their opponents in horrific fashion without mercy.
Once again (I get the feeling I'm not being payed attention) I repeat that I in no way claim or believe that any of the Warhammer 40K races is not evil. Far from it. As I already mentioned, there is good people, but there are no good sides. I just claim that the Dark Eldar are the most evil because they lack context.
The Imperium, the Eldar and the Tau are evil, but their evil has the purpose of furthering their own selfish agendas and, by extension, the survival and dominance of their own people.
Orks and Tyranids are pure chaotic evil, but they lack the capacity to make moral assesments.Tyranids are programmed to devoir and reproduce and Orks are programmed to fight and wage war, but neither do so out of any kind of moral stance.
The Oldcrons lacked any kind of free will and were slaves of the C'Tan, who wanted to genocide all life in the galaxy out of gluttony but get disqualified for being extinct.
I don't know that much about the Newcrons, but from some quotes I've read, it seems like they are convinced that life is the source of conflict and chaos and a beacon to the denizens of the Warp so they believe their doing the universe a favor by erradicating it.
Chaos came a close second for my "Dick kicking a puppy with baby seal boots" award for supreme crapulence, but while most act out of pure selfish desire for self-satisfaction and lust for power, there are many, several claiming Nurgle as their patron, who are truly and honestly convinced that by firthering the agenda of Chaos, they're doing people a huge favor, that they are opening the eyes to the worpship of true Gods instead of the withered corpse that rots in Terra and that their atrocities are an act of selfless liberation. They're bat-shit insane, of course, but that was the tie-breaker for me.
The Dark Eldar are dicks, plain and simple. Evil for evil's sake. They don't care for anyone else, they don't even care for each other and they have no grand plan or long-term goal to justify their actions other than to be biggest possible dicks because being a dick feels awesome. The new codex tries to give them the excuse that they're dicks because if they stopped being dicks they'd die, but that doesn't fly with me because it was their perverse, sustained and constant dickery that made them addicted to being dicks in the first place.
So congratulations. In the words of a wise man "Step forward into your first place podium and then put a rope around your neck so we can kick it away".
HappyDaze said:
Since the Fall, they've had no other choice but to continue as they had been (possibly even dialed up a notch or two as well). Since pretty much everything covered in the WH40K Universe is set after the Fall, I feel that's the only meaningful context for discussing the Dark Eldar (which technically don't even exist until after the Fall).
Yes they did. They could have contacted their other surviving brethren, admitted that they had been wrong all this time and either gotten some counseling on the Paths and built their own spirit stones or search for some untapped Maiden world and lived quietly in harmony with nature, but they didn't because A) being Eldar implies never ever admitting you are wrong, B) doing all that is way too much work for a race whose hedonism and debauchery caused the birth of a Chaos God and C) they just didn't want to.
And how can the cause and origin of the Eldar's current situation not be meaningful context to a discussion about them? That would be like saying that the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy are irrelevant to a discussion about the Imperium.
JuankiMan said:
HappyDaze said:
Since the Fall, they've had no other choice but to continue as they had been (possibly even dialed up a notch or two as well). Since pretty much everything covered in the WH40K Universe is set after the Fall, I feel that's the only meaningful context for discussing the Dark Eldar (which technically don't even exist until after the Fall).
Yes they did. They could have contacted their other surviving brethren, admitted that they had been wrong all this time and either gotten some counseling on the Paths and built their own spirit stones or search for some untapped Maiden world and lived quietly in harmony with nature, but they didn't because A) being Eldar implies never ever admitting you are wrong, B) doing all that is way too much work for a race whose hedonism and debauchery caused the birth of a Chaos God and C) they just didn't want to.
Exodites became Exodites before the Fall. Craftworlders became Craftworlders before the Fall. Eldar that did not choose to become Exodites or Craftworlders before the Fall became Dark Eldar if they survived the Fall. Once the Fall happened, Eldar were locked into the path (not necessarily Path) that they had taken steps upon before the Fall. In the case of the Dark Eldar, they were physically changed by the experience - they could not go back if they wanted to (and most likely had no desire to do so).This was a major change much as we humans may have evolved from ocean-dwelling mammal at some point, but we certainly cannot return to living in the oceans like we did before.
HappyDaze said:
Exodites became Exodites before the Fall. Craftworlders became Craftworlders before the Fall. Eldar that did not choose to become Exodites or Craftworlders before the Fall became Dark Eldar if they survived the Fall. Once the Fall happened, Eldar were locked into the path (not necessarily Path) that they had taken steps upon before the Fall. In the case of the Dark Eldar, they were physically changed by the experience - they could not go back if they wanted to (and most likely had no desire to do so).This was a major change much as we humans may have evolved from ocean-dwelling mammal at some point, but we certainly cannot return to living in the oceans like we did before.
The codex does not agree with you. In fact it states that the Eldar that survived within the ruined Webway were the only ones that weren't phisically changed by Slaanesh's birth. Their animic degradation occurred from that point on, as it did to all surviving Eldar, but while their cousins developed ways to stem and combat it the Dark Eldar chose the easiest and most pleasurable route: to pretty much keep doing what they had been doing for last few millenia, only now they need to ever increade the dose to reach the same "high", like an addled addict.
So yeah, they could have prevented their current predicament but just didn't bother.
JuankiMan said:
The Imperium, the Eldar and the Tau are evil, but their evil has the purpose of furthering their own selfish agendas and, by extension, the survival and dominance of their own people.
Which is less evil than the DE how? Their evil has the purpose of furthering their own selfish agendas…. which still makes it evil. They screw over everyone else (and even their own people) to further their own evil goals. Humans will slaughter billions out of ignorant hatred. The Tau will slaughter anyone who doesn't march in step to their grand plan.
And the Eldar are even worse than the others - they don't necessarily do it to further "the survival and dominance of their own people." They'll slaughter billions for no better reason than that they've been irritated by some humans.
JuankiMan said:
Orks and Tyranids are pure chaotic evil, but they lack the capacity to make moral assesments.Tyranids are programmed to devoir and reproduce and Orks are programmed to fight and wage war, but neither do so out of any kind of moral stance.
Wrong. Both the Orks and the 'nids are sentient beings. As such they can decide not to fuck over other sentients, but choose to do so for their own selfish needs.
JuankiMan said:
The Oldcrons lacked any kind of free will and were slaves of the C'Tan, who wanted to genocide all life in the galaxy out of gluttony but get disqualified for being extinct.
The Old Ctan were not extinct.
JuankiMan said:
I don't know that much about the Newcrons, but from some quotes I've read, it seems like they are convinced that life is the source of conflict and chaos and a beacon to the denizens of the Warp so they believe their doing the universe a favor by erradicating it.
And this is less evil than the DE how? "We want to wipe out all bio-life in the galaxy because it's making our lives a little harder."
JuankiMan said:
Chaos came a close second for my "Dick kicking a puppy with baby seal boots" award for supreme crapulence, but while most act out of pure selfish desire for self-satisfaction and lust for power, there are many, several claiming Nurgle as their patron, who are truly and honestly convinced that by firthering the agenda of Chaos, they're doing people a huge favor, that they are opening the eyes to the worpship of true Gods instead of the withered corpse that rots in Terra and that their atrocities are an act of selfless liberation. They're bat-shit insane, of course, but that was the tie-breaker for me.
And there are plenty of others who make the DE look like cuddly lovelings from the planet lovewu.
JuankiMan said:
The Dark Eldar are dicks, plain and simple. Evil for evil's sake. They don't care for anyone else, they don't even care for each other and they have no grand plan or long-term goal to justify their actions other than to be biggest possible dicks because being a dick feels awesome. The new codex tries to give them the excuse that they're dicks because if they stopped being dicks they'd die, but that doesn't fly with me because it was their perverse, sustained and constant dickery that made them addicted to being dicks in the first place.
The 'nids are dicks, plain and simple. Evil for evil's sake. They don't care for anyone else, they don't even care for each other and they have no grand plan or long-term goal to justify their actions other than to eat everyone because eating everyone feels awesome.
The Necrons are dicks. Evil for evil's sake. They don't care for anyone else, they don't even care for each other, they just want to wipe out all biological life in the galaxy 'cause they hate everyone.
The humans are dicks, plain and simple. Evil for evil's sake. They don't care for anyone else, hell they'll screw each other over for a goddamn percentage, they just want to wipe out all other sentient life in the galaxy because some dead guy told them to 10,000 years ago.
Orks are dicks, plain and simple. Evil for evil's sake. They don't care for anyone else, hell they enjoy killing each other as much (or more) than other races, they just want to consume the galaxy in a never-ending war 'cause they think it's fun.
You can take any 40k race, point to why they are evil and declare "this makes them the most evil race in the galaxy." You think the DE are the most evil. I think their evil is nothing compared to that of the 'crons, the 'nids or most of the chaos factions. Hell, I think the Eldar are probably worse than the DE. At least the DE have an excuse for being monstrous bastards, the Eldar are just dicks, plain and simple.
Disclaimer: The views expressed in this post are my own. I do not speak for FFG in any capacity, officialotherwise. To be honest they don't really tell me much about anything, so you can assume I don't know squat.
I mean diddly. I don't know diddly. I did not mention squats. Squats are not making a comeback.
Unless they are. I really don't know!!! Seriously. Though squats were cool. Pity they all got eaten by the 'nids. Or did they?
Can I play?
In order of dickishness from least to most:
Orks.
Imperium of Man.
Dark Eldar.
Eldar.
Tyranids.
Chaos.
Did I miss anyone?
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macd21 said:
Which is less evil than the DE how? Their evil has the purpose of furthering their own selfish agendas…. which still makes it evil. They screw over everyone else (and even their own people) to further their own evil goals. Humans will slaughter billions out of ignorant hatred. The Tau will slaughter anyone who doesn't march in step to their grand plan.
And the Eldar are even worse than the others - they don't necessarily do it to further "the survival and dominance of their own people." They'll slaughter billions for no better reason than that they've been irritated by some humans.
Their agendas are evil but at least they have an agenda, they have goals to further. For all three their evil is a means to an end, not the end in itself. For the Imperium it's haegemony, for the Tau expansion and for the Eldar survival, and save for the true psychos within those three species, neither do it out self-gratification or a sadistic lust for slaughter.
macd21 said:
Wrong. Both the Orks and the 'nids are sentient beings. As such they can decide not to fuck over other sentients, but choose to do so for their own selfish needs.
The smallest Tyranid with any semblance of sentience it the Hive Tyrant, but although they are sentient in the sense that they can make complex decisions and develop imaginative ways to accomplish their goals, the have no free will. They are still puppets of the Hive Mind and have no capacity to question or deny it's commands. If you're going to label the Tyranids as "evil" you'd have to put the label on the Hive Mind as a whole, but it hasn't ever shown a capacity for moral assesment. In fact, it seems to go entirely on auto-pilot advancing, consuming, growing and evolving. It'd be like calling a horde of locusts evil for ravaging crops.
The Orks, on the other hand, are sentient in a more traditional sense of the word but are still too simple-minded for complex things like "right" or "wrong", and they are that way because they were genetically engineered to be biological weapons and nothing else. They are pure chaotic evil, make no mistake on that, but they never had a choice to begin with.
macd21 said:
The Old Ctan were not extinct.
Four individuals, two of which are still in hiding, do not make a viable population.
macd21 said:
And this is less evil than the DE how? "We want to wipe out all bio-life in the galaxy because it's making our lives a little harder."
From their cold, unfeeling and calculating perspective the Necron Lords are working for the continued existentce of all of Real Space, not only their own. It goes like this: sentients can act as gateways for the Warp and their thoughts feed and empower the Chaos Gods. Ergo, if they remove every sentient in the galaxy the Chaos Gods will starve to death and Real Space will never have to fear a Warp intrusion again. And if they go the extra mile and erradicate all biological life in the galaxy they also ensure that no new sentients evolve in the future, thus ensuing the continued stability of Real Space effectively forever. Brilliant!
They may be technically right, but fuck 'em. Who asked their opinion anyways?
macd21 said:
And there are plenty of others who make the DE look like cuddly lovelings from the planet lovewu.
You are so, so very right. That's why Chaos came a very close second.
macd21 said:
The 'nids are dicks, plain and simple. Evil for evil's sake. They don't care for anyone else, they don't even care for each other and they have no grand plan or long-term goal to justify their actions other than to eat everyone because eating everyone feels awesome.
The Necrons are dicks. Evil for evil's sake. They don't care for anyone else, they don't even care for each other, they just want to wipe out all biological life in the galaxy 'cause they hate everyone.
The humans are dicks, plain and simple. Evil for evil's sake. They don't care for anyone else, hell they'll screw each other over for a goddamn percentage, they just want to wipe out all other sentient life in the galaxy because some dead guy told them to 10,000 years ago.
Orks are dicks, plain and simple. Evil for evil's sake. They don't care for anyone else, hell they enjoy killing each other as much (or more) than other races, they just want to consume the galaxy in a never-ending war 'cause they think it's fun.
You can take any 40k race, point to why they are evil and declare "this makes them the most evil race in the galaxy." You think the DE are the most evil. I think their evil is nothing compared to that of the 'crons, the 'nids or most of the chaos factions. Hell, I think the Eldar are probably worse than the DE. At least the DE have an excuse for being monstrous bastards, the Eldar are just dicks, plain and simple.
Humans do evil because they want to rule the stars. Tau do evil pretty much for the same reason. Eldar do evil because they refuse to go away quietly and are actually working to go out with a bang. The Tyranid Hive Mind does evil because it exists only to grow and evolve and those two directives are absolute. Orks do evil because it's fun, but they didn't choose to be that way and were never given the chance. Necrons do evil to ensure Chaos doesn't swallow up the galaxy. Chaos does evil for many, many things, many of them contradictory of each other, but there are many within it that have some sort of grand plan or major objective, some of which are truly selfless from their deranged perspective.
In a matter of scale Dark Eldar are small time evil, but in my opinion it all boils down to motivation. It's the intention that counts, and the Dark Eldar are the only ones lacking one. They're not working to rebuild their empire or secure their survival. They don't care for territory or resources. They have no grand plan and in a galactic scale have no ambition whatsoever. They just exist to overindulge themselves and keep wallowing in their excess and depravity forever, and unlike other races like the Orks or the Tyranids or the Oldcrons, they did get to choose. It could be argued that now they don't have a choice but they lost their ability to choose because they chose to do nothing to prevent it, and regardless they don't admit that they need to do evil to survive, even to themselves, so it is not truly their motivation.
As I said, they are evil without context, evil for evil's sake, and that's why I consider them the most evil race in the Warhammer 40k universe. Not the most destructive, not the most dangerous, not the most catastrophic. Just the most evil.
JuankiMan said:
As I said, they are evil without context, evil for evil's sake, and that's why I consider them the most evil race in the Warhammer 40k universe. Not the most destructive, not the most dangerous, not the most catastrophic. Just the most evil.
You have a weird definition of evil :-P
You gonna get PURGED!
HTMC said:
You have a weird definition of evil :-P
It comes from when I was studying philosophy back at the university and I was faced with an ages-old philosophical conundrum: What diferentiates a brutal prince from an evil prince? Quite a tricky question, because the brutal prince will perform acts that can be viewed as evil, and the evil prince can be brutal in its cruelty.
After much pondering, the answer I gave on my essay is that the difference boils down to motivation. A brutal prince does evil, yes, but it does so not out of malice but as a means to an end. Perhaps he finds it most expedient, perhaps he believes he would appear weak otherwise, perhaps he believes he's being tough but fair. Regardless, he doesn't necessarily enjoy it and his actions still are, at least from his perspective, done for the good of his people. The evil prince, on the other hand, enjoys his brutality, does evil acts because they amuse him and if they're beneficial for his people, it is coincidental, not his motivation. He only thinks and acts for himself with little to no regard to the damage he may cause or the consequences of his actions to anyone other than himself.
Another component of my definition is another philosophical conundrum of whether you can truly call virtuous someone who has never been tempted. I expand on that claiming that you cannot say something is evil when it is incapable of choosing to do good.
Thus by my metric, the Dark Eldar are evil to the extreme. Others combine different levels of evil and brutality, but for the Dark Eldar it's as if their evil had been processed through an alambic to produce 100% pure, high-octane evil distillate. They have no motivation other than hedonistic, cathartic self-gratification. They had the capacity of choice and are fully aware of the pain and damage they're causing. Indeed they do their evil precisely because it's painful. Their evil has no grand purpose, no ulterior objective, it isn't the means to and end, It just is.
Evil for evil's sake.
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